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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: But he doesn’t admit to the things the Right make up. Since he is a Leftist he is automatically guilty and keeping secrets if he doesn’t confess.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Yeah, I was kind of wondering how I'd explain the difference between carefully researched investigative journalism and some guy sayin' stuff on his blog.
It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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Which I consider to be right wing propaganda bias. From the coverage of Bernie Sanders in the press in 2016 and again now, I see very little coverage of his rallies and positions, some criticism that is misinformed and other slights. This is hardly what I would expect from a leftist media. That's kind of silly seeing as the entire DNC conspired against Bernie. That's not a measure of how leftist they are, its just a measure of how far that particular group of leftists are willing to go to ensure their selected candidate gets the nod.
The main stream media is owned by corporations that are interested in corporation profits. Bottom Line. This is why - in my opinion - main stream media "news" has become infotainment, self-promotion of stations and fluff pieces on media people (movie stars etc) rather than real news. Can't argue with any of that. You will never get implicit bias any longer. Its overt, in your face, and obvious. To be objective and impartial is to side with the enemy. They are no longer in the business of reporting the news, the media is now in the business of manufacturing it... guiding it... steering it... and most importantly, controlling the narrative. Views, clicks and cash is the name of the game.
In politics today it seems that Eisenhower would be a "leftist socialist" politician because the republican party has move so far to the right and away from their traditional values. You see this again and again in comments from people that no longer register as republicans that the party has left them. The Right has shifted further to the right and the Left has shifted further to left. I just watched some hit piece today against Dan Crenshaw, a junior representative and former Navy Seal. He apparently had the temerity to criticize Trump and wants to implement his TAPS Act which is a very modest form of gun control legislation. The hard Right crucified him for both of these ghastly deeds. On the Left we see hit pieces run against presidential candidates who are a little too moderate for the hard Left's taste. Moderate Republicans are being accused of being leftists and Moderate Democrats accused of being Alt-Right. To be a moderate in this country is to be vilified for not toeing the party line. Too far to the left to be a Republican and too far to the right to be Democrat. A political no-man's land... I suspect though that the majority of voters, in all actuality, reside closer towards the middle. Its always the loudest, most shrill, and shrieking hystericals that get the most attention creating a false impression of what it means to be on the left or the right. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
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denigrated in this thread. David Koch was a strong supporter of libertarian and conservative causes and a generous philanthropist. Here is a good look at his charitable giving. It is also exposes charitable giving by plutocrats as the pittance it is, compared to what they have taken from society. They should pay their fair share in taxes.
quote: Page not found | The NationFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That quote is remarkable for saying absolutely nothing about the beneficiaries of Koch's philanthropies. It's nothing but denigrating opinion and namecalling.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Levin uses pretty strong language against the Left, so what? The tactice of focusing on such language only has the purpose of dismissing the serious scholarly work he's done. It's all a smear campaign of labeling and discrediting by insinuation, which is THE Leftist M.O. How telling, how typical, that you don't post an analysis of his thoughtful arguments (of which I suspect you are completely ignorant) but focus only on personality. If the Left does attempt to analyze the work of its opponents, however, it all comes down to this sort of emotional smear anyway.
My guess would be that Michael Savage's language is probably stronger. I like a lot of what he says too, although compared to Levin he's very uneven and I'm often put off by him. But again, so what? The level of sheer vitriol at EvC against the right must be comparable. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Why don't you post some of his thoughtful arguments?
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I read your link:
Even David Kochs Philanthropy Was Toxic Some quotes I gleaned from that article:
quote: As a political moderate, I see good and bad in both liberal and conservative positions. One of my close friends, Paul my accountant, is a champion of Dr.Milton Friedman and after reading much of Friedman's theories, I am semi-convinced that the US would never succeed as a socialist nation. The wealth needs to be generated from somewhere, and simply planning to tax the rich and *make* them pay their *fair share* is unrealistic---they will always find ways to escape that if they so choose. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Which is why I don't advocate taxing the rich. We should be trying to restrict how much the rich can steal rather than trying to tax it back from them. The working people should pay the taxes and collect the benefits. We need to improve their situation so they can afford to do it without the "philanthropy" of the rich. ... simply planning to tax the rich and *make* them pay their *fair share* is unrealistic---they will always find ways to escape that if they so choose."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We should be trying to restrict how much the rich can steal This is one of the most bizarre ideas we hear from the Left. Do those who become rich, say Gates, or Bezos or any of the others, get rich by stealing? Don't they get rich by producing something they are able to sell to huge numbers of people? Where's the stealing? They are creating wealth, their product requires the hiring of huge numbers of employees. There is no diminishing of money, there is a growth of money in society in general as a result of the enterprises created by those who become wealthy. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
They could reduce the price and make only as much as the workers who actually produce the product. Don't they get rich by producing something they are able to sell to huge numbers of people?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Most rich people inherited it.
They are creating wealth, their product requires the hiring of huge numbers of employees.
This is the old "trickle-down economics" crap. No, they aren't hiring huge numbers of employees unless there is demand for what they produce. In general they are not "job creators". The job creators are the 99% who create the demand... if they have the money. Again, trickle down economics failed for Reagan. It failed for W. It failed for Jindal in Louisiana. It failed for Walker in Wisconsin. It failed most spectacularly for Brownback in Kansas, hailed as a perfect test by trickle-down economists, to the point where a Republican legislature overrode a Republican governor's veto to raise taxes and lift Kansas out of the hole Brownback dug. Kansas experiment - Wikipedia:
quote: That doesn't mention that the state Supreme Court ruled that the education cuts violated the state Constitution, and the Republican legislature reacted by trying to remove the Supreme Court's authority. Here we are in 2019 after a huge tax cut for the 1% and a minor tax curt for the 99%. Job growth rate has been slower than under Obama. The deficit has ballooned to such incredible size that the Republicans are preparing major cuts to Social Security and Medicare if Trump is re-elected. Aren't you glad they want to take us old folks' money to make up for their giveaway to the 1%? Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Like opioids ? Especially when people get addicted.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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Faith won't, because there are no thoughtful arguments.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What an amazing bunch of non sequiturs.
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