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Message 136 of 138 (861661)
08-25-2019 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Tangle
08-25-2019 3:42 AM

Re: The Problem Of Evil..
we dont predict the future anymore than you do. If you think things are always gonna be a certain way "until the sun burns out" so be it.
2 Peter 3:1-14 writes:
Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
So you all claim the book was invented for propaganda and control over early people? How quaint. The bottom line is that your concept of the truth is no better than mine. You may claim that science is patently trustworthy in regards to when the sun will burn out and how stable and warm your life might be until then, but why not then use your logic, reason, and reality to explain how stable humanity is becoming and how we have outgrown our beliefs of old. Don't forget to include the FUD of modern media and news, an infotainment source that causes far more harm than any sermon in any church.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
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Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.

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Message 137 of 138 (861662)
08-25-2019 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Phat
08-25-2019 8:14 AM

Re: The Problem Of Evil..
Phat writes:
we dont predict the future anymore than you do.
You're kidding? Your lot are predicting it all the bloody time and have been since Christianity began. It's in the teachings and in the culture. Faith was convinced it was happening only last year. You're talking about - actually hoping for it - all the time these days.
If you think things are always gonna be a certain way "until the sun burns out" so be it.
Nothing is going to be the same way, everything changes but the sun always comes up, has done for billions of years and will do for billions more. Why do YOU think you're so special that YOU get to be here when the end became nigh? Just like all the others all through time. It's just narcissism.
The bottom line is that your concept of the truth is no better than mine.
My 'truth' has evidence to support it, yours is made up and demonstrated to be bunkum time after time. If you're going to quote your little book, please quote the bit about end of the world being nigh within the generation of those there at the time. How many failed prophecies do you need?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 138 of 138 (861725)
08-25-2019 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Phat
08-24-2019 3:41 PM

The End is Neigh ... eh ... nigh.
Because the book talks about one.
Actually the book talks about more than one and other books talk about many others. Apocalypse is a popular theme for lots of religions.
Cute little series on mythology. Here are two of their entries on apocalypse.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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