Who Made God?

Okay, why don't you argue that instead of just asserting it? God said it. You're calling God foolish. There is no reason to think that that's true. Nope. We don't know that. We know that John thought that. Tell it to God. He admitted that the snake told the truth. I have made that argument many times and you have never, ever made any attempt to refute it. Why not? Again... the only source you have for your Jesus is the Book. You can't just throw the book out the window for some silly tales about "Satan" made up by a bunch of apologists.Please stop spouting the same nonsense over and over again and think before you call God a liar. Come up with an actual argument before you call God a liar.

You answered your own question. That's a separate issue. I have asked you and asked to to back up something that the apologists say. Anything. Until you do, you have no business putting them above what the Bible actually says. That's an empty accusation. Back it up or withdraw it. Not at all. The Christianity that you push has little truth to it. That "claptrap" is right in the Bible and right in Jesus' mouth. I strongly advise you not to spit in your "leader's" face. Sure it will. Nonsense. Nonsense.That whole sentence was one of the stupidest things you've ever posted. What reason would you have for swallowing them hook, line and sinker without question? *shrug* Long John Silver seems like a nice guy much of the time. Considering the fact that you call your own God a liar and you call your own Jesus' teachings "claptrap", I think I'll keep my morality over yours. I didn't say a word about who wrote the book. Yes, what the book says does support the conclusion. Is that a bad thing? You really should learn the difference between argument and assertion. Yeah, every belief that didn't stand the test of time said it would stand the test of time. Don't try to predict the future. Behave yourself. You don't know your left from your right any better than Faith does.

You're always out of line to say somebody isn't a Christian. Judge not. Similarly, anybody else would be out of line to say that you are not a Christian because of your atrocious unChristlike behaviour.

So you understand then that nobody is qualified to ask, "What qualifies you as a Christian?" as you did in Message 640. Try looking at that in context:

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1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

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You are told not to keep company with fornicators, coveters, idolaters, railers, drunkards or extortioners within the Church. It does not say you are allowed to decide who is a Christian. Remember how to test the spirit:

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Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.

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And those fruits are?

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Galations 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

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Maybe I don't understand judgement as it applies in your dogma. I'm just going by what the Bible actually says. It's pretty much the same thing, though. If you decide that somebody is not a Christian, you are saying they're going to Hell.

I'm not doing any judging. I'm not telling you you're not a Christian. I'm telling you that your Bible tells you not to judge jar. Even if I was a hypocrite, that would not change what the Bible says. You continue to ignore context. Jesus wasn't talking about Christians judging each other. Look at verse 23:

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23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

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He was talking about the Jews judging Him. Context. That's about pointing out faults in other Christians, not declaring that they are not Christians. Well, now you're wandering pretty far afield. There were no Christians in Ezekiel's day. Context. That one is about preaching false gospels - e.g. ignoring what the Bible says about judgement, like you do. It's the fundamentalist point of view. That may be the Catholic point of view. It's not the Bible point of view.

That has been explained to you.

Well, it was written as a fairy tale (hint: talking snake) and it doesn't matter one little bit whether you believe that or not. The fact is that it has been explained to you why God might have lied. No it isn't.He might have lied, like a parent lies to his child, to give him a reason to be good. ("If you're bad, Santa won't bring you any presents.")Or He might have exaggerated the consequences (lied) to protect His child. ("If you touch the stove, you'll burn the house down.")Or it might have been more-or-less a joke. ("Don't make faces or it will stay like that.")Or He might have just changed His mind.But no doubt you'll forget this by tomorrow and come back again with the bullshit that "God didn't lie."

No you do not have a right to an opinion on what the Bible says. It says what it says - and the idea that God didn't lie is bullshit. I'm still waiting for you to defend what the apologists say. If you're so supremely confident in them, show us.

Hubris.

You're an optimist.

That seems to be a running theme with some believers: that they'd be thieves, rapists, murderers, etc. if they didn't have God telling them not to. Unfortunately, the idea is reinforced by false doctrines like "the Fall", which is equivalent to "the devil made me do it".

That isn't what I said, is it? What I said, basically, is that I get the same results without God as you get with God - so is God necessary in the equation at all? I don't recall ever getting anything back from strangers I have helped. Maybe they'll "pay it forward" to somebody else some day. Whether it's "real help" or not is similarly impossible to predict. As I've said before, most of the people I know profess organized religion. Everybody falls short. The question here is why do the religionists "need God" to help them keep up with the secular humanists?

That may be true, especially if you have a sliding scale, like Faith, that counts people as Christians when it's convenient but not when it isn't.If it is true, it's because "most" of those clubs reject what's in the Bible like you do. They prefer their own made-up versions.

An interest in the truth.All of the evidence points to God and Jesus being characters in the book. No evidence points to any "living spirit" who seeks "communion".And if you're willing to throw out that evidence, why don't you throw out the evidence for a round earth? Or the evidence that men walked on the moon? Or the evidence for evolution? As I've told you many times before, it isn't about doing "good enough" by ourselves. It's that we're all we've got. There is no reason to think that your "communion" with Jesus is doing more for you than you could do for yourself. If anything, it detracts from what you could be doing constructively. What has righteousness got to do with it? Clearly your "communion" is not making you more righteous.