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Author Topic:   What Benefits Are Only Available Through God?
jar
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Message 235 of 438 (853391)
05-27-2019 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Faith
05-27-2019 7:57 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
And so you post more examples of Dogma and Carny Conjobs; yet more examples of the utter dishonesty that exemplifies "Biblical Christianity".
Does the Bible say that God walked with and talked with and made clothes for Adam & Eve? If so, then the Bible says God exists within time and space.
Does the Bible say that God wrestled with Jacob all night without defeating him? If so, then the Bible says God is not all powerful.
Does the Bible say that God came down to Earth and went WalkAbout to find out if the stories He had heard about Sodom and Gomorrah were true? If so the God is not all knowing.
You continue to show that not only have you not read the Bible but in fact have decided to believe the conmen rather than what is actually written.

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jar
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Message 238 of 438 (853397)
05-27-2019 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Faith
05-27-2019 8:40 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
Faith writes:
It's God Himself you are accusing of being a "con man," because you fail to read the Bible as a whole in which every part modifies every other part.
Bullshit Faith.
First, man not God, wrote the Bible.
Second, there is no such thing as "The Bible™"; rather there are many different Bibles with the smallest being only 5 books and the largest having over 80 books.
Third, there is no evidence that the Bible is "a whole" but rather ALL of the evidence shows it is simply a collection, a compendium of different, often contradictory stories.
It is the "Inerrant Bible" cult that I am calling Conmen, utterly dishonest and divorced from reality.

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jar
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Message 244 of 438 (853427)
05-27-2019 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Faith
05-27-2019 11:40 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
And once again you simply support the position that you are totally disconnected from reality and willfully ignorant. You support the position of your cult over the reality.
The fact is that there are many Bibles, the smallest Canon containing only 5 books, the largest containing over 80 books. That is simply fact Faith.
No one questions the Fact that your "Traditionalists" willfully deny reality.

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jar
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Message 249 of 438 (853435)
05-27-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 12:23 PM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
foreveryoung writes:
I support what the bible clearly says.
Yet the facts remain:
The fact is that there are many Bibles, the smallest Canon containing only 5 books, the largest containing over 80 books.
Does the Bible say that God walked with and talked with and made clothes for Adam & Eve? If so, then the Bible says God exists within time and space.
Does the Bible say that God wrestled with Jacob all night without defeating him? If so, then the Bible says God is not all powerful.
Does the Bible say that God came down to Earth and went WalkAbout to find out if the stories He had heard about Sodom and Gomorrah were true? If so the God is not all knowing.

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jar
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Message 266 of 438 (853456)
05-27-2019 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 1:20 PM


foreveryoung writes:
He can act within space and time as he did with adam and eve. But, at the same time he was "walking" with the first couple, he was also speaking to joan of arc in 1428 in dom'remy France through his Angel's. Acting in one particular space and time does not rule out his existence outside of space and time. If he was confined to space and time, he would still be walking around on the planet. It's pretty hard to miss a supreme being in his essence.
Again, that is simply the dogma of your Cult and has absolutely no Biblical basis. You are just parroting word salad and nonsense.
Remember, it is you who claims the support of the Bible and nowhere does the Bible say anything about Joan of Arc. Nor is speaking through some other agency evidence to support anything about any GOD. Allah has the same evidential basis as what you are claiming. Allah spoke to Muammad through an angel.

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jar
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Message 268 of 438 (853461)
05-27-2019 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Faith
05-27-2019 6:37 PM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
Faith writes:
And this view of it contrasts with jar's view which fragments it into separate books and gives a different length for them which I assume is according to different canons which were developed down the centuries.
Again Faith, it is not my view but rather reality and fact. There are different Bibles and that is fact. The shortest recognizes only those books which would have been Canonized at the time Jesus lived and so is just 5 books, the first 5 books. Yet it is still "The Bible". The largest includes over 80 books. Yet it is still the Bible.
No one questions what "Traditionalist" believe. But traditional Christians of different sects also believe what you call "The Bible" is simply wrong.
But that is still not the point. You still have never and cannot address the fact that all versions of the Bible do contain contradictions, factual errors, myth and fantasy.

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jar
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Message 284 of 438 (853540)
05-28-2019 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Faith
05-28-2019 3:42 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
Faith writes:
But the Bible is full of history and geography and that does give it authenticity whether you llke it or not which of course you don't because llke most others here you have to destroy Christianity
Now that's both utterly silly and of course also utterly false. The Bible is full of fables and fictions and very very little history.
There's no evidence of the Exodus or Conquest of Canaan or Jesus or the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah or just about every so called historical event in the Bible. About the only actual history in the Bible might be the destruction of the Temple.

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jar
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Message 290 of 438 (853577)
05-29-2019 6:57 AM


Still no evidence of ANY benefits available only through God.
Once again we are near three hundred post without anyone presenting any evidence that relates to or supports the actual topic.

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jar
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Message 297 of 438 (853588)
05-29-2019 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by Phat
05-29-2019 8:32 AM


Re: Still no evidence of ANY benefits available only through God.
What is the Topic Phat?

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jar
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Posts: 34026
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Message 299 of 438 (853590)
05-29-2019 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 298 by Faith
05-29-2019 11:19 AM


Re: Still no evidence of ANY benefits available only through God.
There is no evidence of any eternal benefits Faith.
AbE:
In addition, eternal life is certainly a very common product marketed by many religions. The Bible also says that eternal damnation is only available through God.
Further the Christian product is little different than the Egyptian product or Muslim product or Norse product or Roman product or Greek product. At least there is some evidence for the Buddhist reincarnation product.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 311 of 438 (853618)
05-29-2019 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by Faith
05-29-2019 11:39 AM


Re: Still no evidence of ANY benefits available only through God.
Faith writes:
The OP allows for lack of evidence, and the only evidence possible for the gift of eternal llfe is the testimony of Jesus.
Not true Faith.
There is also the testimony found in the Glorious Qur'an, the Book of the Dead, the Norse Sagas, the accounts of Olympus and the evidence of reincarnation of Lamas.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 312 of 438 (853619)
05-29-2019 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by foreveryoung
05-29-2019 12:06 PM


Re: Still no evidence of ANY benefits available only through God.
foreveryoung writes:
If a purpose is derived from islam or buddhism it will pale in comparison to a purpose that is derived from a sincere belief in the God of the bible.
So you assert yet never provide any support or evidence that is factual.

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 426 of 438 (859817)
08-03-2019 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 425 by Phat
08-03-2019 12:31 PM


Re: Facts vs. Possibilities
Phat writes:
1) Evidence. How precisely would one go about obtaining evidence for God?
No one, particularly believers, has ever provided any idea of how it might even be possible to find evidence of God.
Question two has absolutely no meaning and so is impossible to answer in any way that does have meaning.

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 429 of 438 (859841)
08-03-2019 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by Phat
08-03-2019 1:07 PM


Re: Even I Can Answer Questions That You Claim Are Meaningless
Phat writes:
Now one further question. Is God even necessary?
Answered in Message 729 but quoted here to make it easy for you.
jar in another thread writes:
Phat, remember that not only does the atheist population in general find they can behave morally without God, there are quite a few religions that do fine without God. Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism are three that I know I've discussed with you in the past.
So once again, the evidence shows that God is not necessary.
But the evidence goes even further and shows that in general over the recorded history it has been beliefs and allegiance to one God over some other God that has been the source of immoral behavior.
Beliefs are very powerful though and it is conceivable that for some people the belief that there is so vengeful critter that will punish them should they misbehave could lead to that individual behaving in a manner suitable for polite company. But again the evidence shows it can also and unfortunately far more often lead to great immorality, genocide, repression and evil.

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 432 of 438 (869507)
12-31-2019 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 431 by Sarah Bellum
12-31-2019 10:48 AM


Re: Even I Can Answer Questions That You Claim Are Meaningless
Or just about any motivation. Jobs, economy, color, religion, hair styles, ethnicity, peer pressure, advertising ...
It's easy to convince good people to do bad things.

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