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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: You dont get it. A believer is a beliver in one GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen, whose Son Jesus Christ brought Holy Communion to humanity. No Phat, you know that is simply not true. What you are describing are what YOU believe. If you were a Muslim you would believe that Jesus was a Prophet of Allah. If you were Jewish you would believe that God had no sons and that Jesus was simply a failed Messiah.
Phat writes: Thats a man who embraces logic, reason, and reality but who has never met God. Because he doesn't know or see how this is possible. Quit asking others h How would I know I had met God and not the Great Deceiver?
Phat writes: My point is that for me at least, it is no fantasy. How do you know it is not a fantasy? AbE: but back to the topic. (Who started the topic and did the OP want any answer other than the one he wanted?) The evidence still stands. The God in Genesis 1 is described as a totally different God than the one in Genesis 2&3 and both of them would deny what you market is the real God. What does the evidence show? Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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and that Jesus was simply a failed Messiah.
And that the Jesus of the christian new testament stories does not exist at all in the rabbinical literature.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Stile Member (Idle past 293 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Thugpreacha writes: Thats a man who embraces logic, reason, and reality but who has never met God. Can one be a man who embraces logic, reason and reality but also meets God? If not, why not?-Does God hate logic? -Is God unreasonable? -Is God not a part of reality? Perhaps you will be honest and say that there is no way you will surrender logic, reason, and reality for a fantasy. My point is that for me at least, it is no fantasy. If it's is "no fantasy" as you say... .then you will not surrender logic, reason, and reality for a fantasy either.Why would you expect others to do something you yourself were not willing to do?
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Hubris. You dont get it. A believer is a beliver in one GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen, whose Son Jesus Christ brought Holy Communion to humanity. The other gods you mention are cultural constructs...mythos....inventions of cultures of various times and places. There is but One God. If you claim to be a believer you have to believe in that. Not in cultural relativism.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
jar writes:
Yeah right - that’s how it might read to a five year-old ignoramus who doesn’t understand that and became man in the Nicene Creed refers to the doctrine of the Incarnation and whose underdeveloped mind doesn’t understand that God cannot stop being God and become just a man. Yet that is what the Nicene Creed says. Btw, if Jesus was just a man when he was on the earth, how do you explain the following verse? We are not stoning you because of any good work but for blasphemy, but because you, a mere man, claim to be God. (John 10:33)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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You are an offensive idiot.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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jar writes:
And that the Jesus of the christian new testament stories does not exist at all in the rabbinical literature. and that Jesus was simply a failed Messiah. My understanding is that the Pharisees were the Messianic sect. There was a great number of Messiahs coming forth, even more that the fake Dmitris (in Russia, fakers posing as Ivan the Terrible's dead son, Dmitri, which were many and very troublesome), so it was up to the Pharisees to check out each and every one of the new Messiahs, especially since a true Messiah's claim would directly conflict with the occupying Roman forces. Quite rightly, any claim of being the Messiah would have to be checked out by the Pharisees. By my understanding, after the Diaspora c. 70 CE the Rabbinic tradition was predominantly Pharisaic. Since that opposed (or at the very least did not agree with) nascent Christianity, that made the Pharisees the bad guys in early Christianity. So then, no, the Jesus of the New Testament should not be expected to exist in rabbinical literature. And one of their favorites, Josephus, did not mention Jesus in the original, but rather in an insertion in Old Church Slavonic (which is to Russian as Latin is to the Romance languages).
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
Yeah right - that’s how it might read to a five year-old ignoramus who doesn’t understand that ... Said by the self-admitted extremely low-level idiot with a self-admitted IQ approaching single digits.
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
ramoss writes: Now. you can have what ever belief you want. When it comes to others, it is 'can you show that your belief is true' is the question. What can you show me ??? How can you provide what you believe to be true without what is known as 'confirmation bias'? Can you find a way to take testimony of people away, and show that your belief is more than "warm fuzzy feelings"? Probably not, but I will think about how I would apply such a logic challenge. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: Btw, if Jesus was just a man when he was on the earth, how do you explain the following verse? We are not stoning you because of any good work but for blasphemy, but because you, a mere man, claim to be God. (John 10:33) Easy to explain. The author of John asserts that Jesus claimed to be God. Blasphemy was a capital offense. Yet it is still what is written in the Nicene Creed and has been included in every version since 325.
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
which leads to the question regarding whether the Nicene Creed should be given more authoritative weight than the Bible.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: which leads to the question regarding whether the Nicene Creed should be given more authoritative weight than the Bible. No, it simply points out that we should be honest about what has actually been written and admit that there are contradictions, evolution of tales and that each writing simply reflects the God the authors created.
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
So in essence you belong to a club that sings songs and celebrates characters in a book? Belief in GOD is not required? Or more precisely not clearly understood...centuries after the BCP was written? I think people are regressing. Soon they will believe that God is simply a human concept. You can call it a Christian Club but if it devolves any further it will simply be a humanist club of do-gooders dressed up with ceremonial religious garb.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So in essence you belong to a club that sings songs and celebrates characters in a book? No, nor has anything I have said implied such.
Phat writes: Belief in GOD is not required? GOD is totally irrelevant to this discussion and topic.
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're an optimist. You can call it a Christian Club but if it devolves any further it will simply be a humanist club of do-gooders dressed up with ceremonial religious garb."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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