The Case For A Creator

Granted. Perhaps a valid line of questioning is to the motives as to why the books were written in the first place. Have people really belived that they interacted with God and that Jesus was more than simply a prophet? Or were the motives less honorable?Personally I believe that there is a sort of ongoing spiritual war between Truth and Lies. I believe that the origin of the spiritual awareness behind such a war is eternal...or at least before the creation/evolution of this planet and its human inhabitants. And I will admit that this is an irrational belief. I do not think it simply fantasy, however.I think that the whole story of Star Wars(mythos, if you prefer) is writ large.

I'll give you that. I can and have read much of what you say regarding the irrationality of Christian belief(basic CCoI version) in general. To wit: Lets test them. How far out of the boat are you willing to walk? I place the God whom I believe in above all else. What about the GOD (and the Jesus) that you market? Lets trot out the really tough questions!ringo claims that everything known and/or knowable about the Christian God and His Son Jesus Christ is contained within the book. Which would suggest that God (and Jesus) could never truly be alive within reality and within one's heart...were that true. So which is it? Which do you choose to believe? That God and Jesus are simply characters in a book. Tales of mythos told around campfires so that a traveling storyteller could earn a living? You always ask me how I can prove or describe what it means that Jesus is alive. What if I told you that it is as simple as embracing an admittedly illogical belief? How far out of the boat are you willing to walk?

If it were explainable, people would have no need for belief. They would simply accept or reject the facts. The book clearly suggests that not everyone will believe. It even suggests that a minority will actually believe and a majority will reject Christ and/or His message. You always claim that Christianity is more about what a person actually does than it is on what they believe, so you have your excuse around that argument. Perhaps God would show mercy to an atheist with no desire to accept Jesus but who dutifully and perhaps even joyfully clothed,fed, encouraged, and edified the people with no strings attached.Then again, perhaps God wants us to actually get to know His character...expressed to humans through a human.

how careful can we be? How do we really know which side is which?

But thats your arbitrary and fantasy based standard.

But you don't define God. Yes, I can hear some of you now...."Why Does God get a free pass in regards to logic, reason, and reality"?....well duh! God if God exists is not measurable nor applicable to the rigors of typical scientific observation. One does not simply make God up by definition. On the other hand, God is not some mysterious spook outside the realm of detectability. Seek and ye shall find...but on His terms moreso than yours. Stile, for instance claims to *know* that God doesn't exist...and objectively and rationally he is absolutely correct. It may well be, however...that some of the more logical minds among us are unable to connect with God due to a reservation of unbelief due to the facts at hand which they hold as the defining marker of such a relationship. Belief is the prerequisite for encounter and communion. God does not simply appear objectively and unabashedly to anyone and everyone...as you likely think He should do.Perhaps the reason is that He reveals Himself on His terms and as He is...not as you imagine that He must be.

The issue is not the Gods and gods and fairies and goblins in the books. The issue is who YOU believe God to be and why. If you simply imagine a mugwump as your choice for God, you likely wont find GOD. I believe though cannot prove that through Jesus every human can and will find GOD. Not through their own vain imagination nor logic and reason regarding human literary attempts t defining God. God is in the book, but I believe that He is not limited to the book---he is not limited to what humans say about Him.

And that question is directed at everyone. Who do you say that I am?

What I mean is that that is the question that Jesus would ask everyone today. He represents the Creator of all seen and unseen. Or do you doubt that this is true?

Maybe in your "club". You really have no place to define what is dogma and what is reality. You limit yourself to begin with by claiming that none of us can know if its God or not. You are your own problem in that area. Your intelligence places God in a box rather than freeing your perspective. Otherwise you seem to be doing ok, and fortunately He understands your reasons. AddByEdit: Allow me to further elaborate. Ive had coffee! You limit yourself to begin with by claiming that none of us can know if its God or not. Within the context of Blub Christian, there are many clubs and many chapters and some of us can and do know that God is real. Jesus is alive. Now...how to prove this objectively? One cannot. Reason being that God does not allow Himself to be revealed objectively so that any layman can simply examine His merits as if buying a product. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.