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Message 721 of 785 (857302)
07-07-2019 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 716 by dwise1
07-07-2019 12:44 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
She's lying to us, to our faces.
Is she?
I understand your frustrations but might it be that Our Lady Of Faith is an actual bonafide batshit crazy religious person with delusions of sanity?
As calculus is beyond the mental grasp of a 4th grader so reality is beyond the mental grasp of this poor demented crazy person?
Think bag lady flailing around mumbling in the corner of the parking lot with nothing in her grocery cart but a bible.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 745 of 785 (857420)
07-08-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 743 by edge
07-08-2019 12:06 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
What would be an incentive for you to learn? Telling you you're right?
A participation trophy?
I'd do it for a small bowl of Hagen-Dazs Chocolate Ice Cream.

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AZPaul3
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Message 747 of 785 (857422)
07-08-2019 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 746 by Faith
07-08-2019 12:13 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
If I promised to not insult you for a full month would you learn that the flud did not happen?

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Message 752 of 785 (857428)
07-08-2019 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 749 by Faith
07-08-2019 12:18 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
OK, but remember I did try.
Faith, you ignorant ... person.
I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.
Brains aren't everything. In your case they're nothing.
I don't know what makes you so stupid, but it really works.
Calling you an idiot would be an insult to all the stupid people.
The site I'm looking at has about 70 more. I'll save them for later.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 757 of 785 (857447)
07-08-2019 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 755 by Faith
07-08-2019 1:42 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
You can certainly rectify this personally painful situation by acknowledging that the science borne of hundreds of years of study by literally millions of minds each checking, discarding and modifying the body of fact are, in actuality, not demons out to destroy your god and that the knowledge you seek to reject is factual with conclusions based in logic and reflect reality.
You own intransigents is what is hurting you here.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 763 of 785 (857465)
07-08-2019 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 760 by Faith
07-08-2019 2:56 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
The thing is you thlnk all that honest endeavor has arrived at truth, so that what you are really saying is that I should acknowledge THAT, their conclusions and not just their methods and motivations.
Not TRVTH™ but the best fit explanation for the known body of fact.
If that best fit says the Earth orbits the sun instead of the other way around who are you, with your lack of knowledge of gravity and orbital mechanics, to say otherwise?
If that best fit says there was no worldwide flud who are you, with your lack of knowledge of geology and hydro mechanics, to say otherwise?
Part of the scientific process you have no respect for is the methods are dissected to excruciating detail to be sure they actually measure what they purport to measure or conclude only what the facts demand.
And motives are constantly assailed to wring out as much personal agenda as possible. I’ve been to conferences where scientists yelled and screamed at each other across a blackboard because of agenda. The days of a Lord Kelvin ruling the scientific roost are way long gone.
That is why there is worldwide consensus on most scientific conclusions like heliocentrism and no stinkin freakin flud.
None of this happens in religion which is why you folks have such a philosophical, fact-less, agenda-centric mess on your hands. What, some 10,000+ different creeds just in your boat alone? Because it’s all fabricated in your head without any fact or logic to back it up. Bad form for seeking TRVTH™.
But the sciences of the past really don't have the safeguards of the hard sciences of the laboratory .
Bullshit.
. so that all the sincere honest scientific work on those sciences is ultimately subjective .
Bullshit.
. and can be wrong even if the whole scientific community agrees.
Now we have agreement. Some of it could be wrong, but not by anything you or your blind anti-scientific creed can produce. But because we are human and sometimes it takes a while for us apes to learn.
So yes, my intransigence is indeed the problem, but the intransigence comes from believing a completely different worldview .
No, it comes from your unwillingness to learn and accept demonstrable fact. I’m not talking conclusions based on those facts, I’m talking your unwillingness to even acknowledge that known demonstrable facts are there.
That is crazy bag lady territory.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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