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Message 702 of 785 (857050)
07-05-2019 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 699 by Sarah Bellum
07-05-2019 12:35 AM


Re: Flood stuff
What on earth do you mean by rushing waters "wearing out" a river? None of the rivers that are now in the area of the Grand Canyon were there at the point when the Flood started draining.
ABE: Sorry, I misread you, answered what you actually said in Message 704 /abe
"That's not what happens in a flood" is the usual utterly ridiculous attempt to turn this worldwide catastrophe into any ordinary flood. The only part of it that was like a usual flood would have been in the beginning and then it would have been like a million floods all over the planet causing mudslides and waterfalls. In THE Flood besides all that happening, the oceans rose up over the land and yes water does create layers.
And your assertion that time periods would do that is just some kind of wishful inability to think about it. That is about the most absurd thing claimed about the scenario of the fossil record, yet normally intelligent people just won't let themselves think about it.
There are very few places where lava intrudes into the layers and it's very clear that most of it happened after the sedimentary layers were already laid down.
So you're getting your stuff from Talk Origins. I can go there myself you know. How about being original? Obviously you haven't given a moment's thought to anything I actually said, about how rivers would have formed AFTER the Flood had drained, and meanders as well, on the flat surfaces such as the Kaibab plateau, that had been scoured off by the retreating Flood. This scenario works very well and it's all my own, I don't go to creationist sites to get my stuff..
Look, we're on the wrong thread for discussing the Flood and I'm not going to continue this with you. I've discussed it at great length on many threads here and your stuff is just the usual collection of crap that gets thrown at creationists all the time. Since you haven't followed my previous presentations of my argument you don't have a clue about any of it and I'm not up to it right now.
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Message 704 of 785 (857054)
07-05-2019 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 703 by Pressie
07-05-2019 7:58 AM


Re: Flood stuff
Oh I misread it, thanks. WORN OUT A RIVERBED.
OK, the answer to that is the river wore out the riverbed over the last 4300 years. And it's absurd to think I was saying the rushing water had anything at all to do with the current riverbed.

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Message 711 of 785 (857229)
07-06-2019 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 710 by dwise1
07-05-2019 9:48 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Well, although you say I'm wrong and that you all do give examples all the time (I'm sure you do sometimes so I shouldn't say never), as a matter of fact in this very post you don't so as usual I have to wonder exactly what you are talking about.
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Message 713 of 785 (857248)
07-07-2019 3:00 AM
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07-06-2019 8:20 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
I thlnk I'm saying perfectly innocent true things and your hair-trigger rage reaction is incomprehensible and upsetting. As of now until further notice I will not be responding to anything you write.
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Message 725 of 785 (857319)
07-07-2019 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by edge
07-07-2019 3:05 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
There is no way to resolve this. What Percy says is true, though in a way I've said it myself, it's just totally unacceptable at EvC. All I want is some acknowledgement of my own point of view and that never happens. As a result I don't pay any attention at all to anybody else's point of view except now and then to identify a concept I know I'm going to have to deal with eventually. But it's true I don't pay attention to anybody's posts any more and the longer they are the less I can put my mind to them. I absolutely cannot even read Percy's posts any more, they are nothing but complaints about me. All true, yes, but as long as I my creationist view is treated like trash, which it always has been and always will be I can't put any energy into more arguments against it. So another chorus of hatred from my enemies about how I shouldn't even be here and they're probably right. I've argued the Flood to death and just find I can barely muster the energy to write anything on it any more, and on that thread I'm getting barraged by hundreds of topics, all without even a nod of slight approval to anything I've said. I suppose that doesn't suffice to justify my ignoring others but I can't do anything else.
Now this post was an attempt to be clear and honest, but I've written such posts many times in the past and they just get trashed too. So there's maybe no way to say anything at all, and I need to go elsewhere to work on my creationist views.
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Message 727 of 785 (857321)
07-07-2019 4:41 PM
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07-07-2019 4:37 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Yes that's exactly what I mean, and I know I'll never get any other kind of response. Actually I want THlNKING acceptance but that isn't goint to happen here because everything I say is wrong here. That's just the way it is. But it is the reason I can no longer give a moment's consideration of the continuing debunkery. Go ahead, bring on the barrage of denunciations. Why do I refuse to see that I'm wrong; why won't I learn anything; etc etc etc.
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Message 729 of 785 (857324)
07-07-2019 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 728 by PaulK
07-07-2019 4:49 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Exactly.

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Message 731 of 785 (857327)
07-07-2019 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by PaulK
07-07-2019 4:58 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
It got through. It always gets through.

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Message 733 of 785 (857329)
07-07-2019 5:17 PM
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07-07-2019 5:14 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Another good one. You're on a roll.

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Message 735 of 785 (857331)
07-07-2019 5:21 PM
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07-07-2019 5:19 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
It can't get any worse than it already is.

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Message 739 of 785 (857408)
07-08-2019 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 738 by JonF
07-07-2019 7:11 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
It could get better..
It never will. You would have to admit ignorance and learn.
But is anybody noticing that this exchange has been nothing but a repeat of the same exchange that's always had about anything I post on any creationist subject -- or any subject for that matter, most of the itme anyway. I mean you guys ALWAYS say the same things you said here, although I described it perfectly already as the reason I do what I do that always provokes that reaction.
And by the way, this started with my saying that although everybody tells me I'm ignorant of all kinds of things I need to know my impression is that nobody ever really explains what they have in mind. Dwise had a conniption fit over that remark, but others had the same reaction though in less volatile form about it too. Although there have no doubt been explanations, it remains true in my mind that I don't know what you are talking about. Now if you say what you are talking about maybe I will recognize it, but the way these conversations go they aren't organized well enough for me to know -- especially since I really don't read some of the posts because I cannot stomach them, digest them, accept them when my own are treated like trash. There are endless complaints about how I treat everybody else's stuff as trash, but I'm not supposed to notice that it's done to me.
Having my thots treated as trash, even my most lengthy well thot out stuff, is supposed to be an incentive to "learn" according to all of you. What planet do you live on? Getting trashed is never going to be incentive to anything, and all you say in response is Well I deserve to be trashed because I don't want to learn. This gets pretty nauseatingly circular.
Please note that you and PK in this recent exchange have gone on and on excoriating me for my ignorance without once even giving a single example of that ignorance. I said the same to dwise though about his long post that seemed to me to do the same and I know if he'd been here in reality I would have been decapitated and buried in a shallow grave somewhere in the Sierras.
I'm pretty sure all you mean by my ignorance is my refusal to accept the tenets of the ToE and the Old Earth. Do you thlnk there's more to it?
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Message 742 of 785 (857415)
07-08-2019 12:03 PM
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07-08-2019 11:56 AM


Re: Creationist mindset
I want to answer this but for the moment will only say that I gather my "ignorance" is embodied in having a view of things you disagree with, as I supposed, and in your aggressive misinterpretations of what I have in mind. I say the strata are straight and flat and you tell me I'm ignorant of phenomena such as the Temple Butte limestone, which is untrue, it just doesn't apply to the current statement, AND I can answer it and have answered it many times.
Thanks for the examples, though it gets tyresome to be told I'm ignorant when such examples are the reason for it and all you mean about what I need to learn is YOUR interpretation of those examples. But I sincerely hope to get back and give more attention to this since you made the effort to do what I said isn't getting done.
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Message 744 of 785 (857419)
07-08-2019 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 741 by ringo
07-08-2019 11:59 AM


Re: Creationist mindset
I don't thlnk it's true that I "don't learn" and need to learn more, as I just said to PK, all it ends up meaning is that I'm not accepting the establishment point of view. I know this but the complaint continues anyway. I do learn all the time when I see that I need to take something into account that I've been missing. abut of course what I learn is something I thlnk buttresses my own point of view, and that is not learening according to the majority denizens of EvC. Even if I went back to school and got degrees in biology and geology, what I end up arguing at EvC would brand me as ignorant.
I have books on population genetics, plus Genetics for Dummies, and five books on Geology, two of them about the Grand Canyon from the creationist point of view but the rest standard stuff. I've read most of all of them and continue to go back to them from time to time.
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Message 746 of 785 (857421)
07-08-2019 12:13 PM
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07-08-2019 12:11 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Chocolate is good, but I got addicted to their lemon ice cream, which now I can't find anywhere, so I guess there is no incentive at all for me.

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Message 749 of 785 (857424)
07-08-2019 12:18 PM
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07-08-2019 12:16 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Very tempting offer but no, I'm afraid I have to continue to endure your insults. The Christian life would not be properly lived if we were spared the insults of unbelievers and other horrid afflictions and deprivations. (The reward is well worth it though in weak moments we too easily forget that. At least I hold on to it weakly.)_
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