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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
This is a discussion forum. Discuss something. OK. So the title of this thread is Who Made God? So lets discuss the "god" known as money. Do we keep chasing this fale idol? Do we stop loving and desiring it?Or do we simply give it all away in the form of spare change? And who then do we trust to help us retire? The government? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Why do people chase any false idol, like Jesus?
So lets discuss the "god" known as money. Do we keep chasing this fale idol? Phat writes:
If we realize it's a false idol, why wouldn't we stop loving it and desiring it?
Do we stop loving and desiring it? Phat writes:
That's what your false idol Jesus told you to do.
Or do we simply give it all away in the form of spare change? Phat writes:
The government is a representative of society. Yes, your false idol Jesus told you to take care of your society and your society will take care of you. If your government is not standing up for your society properly, it's time to do something about your government. And who then do we trust to help us retire? The government?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
So arbitrator is right out? Pick a word and defend it. Or not.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
AZPaul3 writes: You really need to stop listening to the demons in your head. The message is simple. Jesus is Gods character. He lives today. He wants to take you to the next level. Surrender to no religion or no other person or persons but surrender to Him and let Him cleanse you and equip you. Nothing evil about it. t is not just the evil and bloodshed portrayed in your gospel. More it is the evil and bloodshed you christian practitioners plague upon the species. Your gospel is full of oppression, repression, murder, slaughter and war against innocents. The larger problem is your adherents seek to visit the same on the whole of the population of this planet. Christian is evil.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Theodoric writes: OK, I'm sorry if I switched tracks...I get impulsive at times, but for your sake I will stick with our train of thought. Here we go... Pick a word and defend it. Or not. TOPIC: WHO MADE GOD?
Tangle writes:
I'm an atheist because I can find no evidence at all - and I do mean none - for a god.GDR writes:
ENTER Theodoric, Stage Left:
There is nothing that you will accept as evidence for a god.Theodoric,responding to GDR writes:
I might interject at this point that the only evidence we have is the believers themselves. Either these people(myself included) were (and are) touched and inspired by the Holy Spirit or we are batshit crazy and delusional. Willfully or otherwise. One problem here is that we are in a spiritual war between good and evil and evil makes sure that we sound as stupid as possible. Hence why some of our nuttier members are the poster children for Christian belief.
He probably would accept the same as I would, namely evidence.Please provide some so we can consider whether in fact it is evidence or not. Tangle writes: That assumes that God would need to be entertained. No, Tangle He is very much intervening with all of us. Do you want evidence? I am the evidence. I bug you incessantly.
If there is a god out there he's not the sort you think - he's the non-interventionist kind that pouffed this lot into existence 14bn years ago then found a new toy to play with.Theodoric writes: The problem here is that you want to believe the research (and more tellingly the integrity of the researchers) in order to corroborate your preexisting world view. If research does not support the claims it would be stupid to believe the stories. That would define delusion.Theodoric,to Faith writes: I would love to see such an encounter. I'm quite sure that God would eventually win Theodoric over to His side unless Theodoric prefers to Deify his own intelligence and preserve his free will eternally apart from what he sees as an autocratic God (and religion)
I reject your concept of a god totally and completely. If your god existed I would tell him to fuck himself for all of the misery he has caused.Theo writes: You waundered in the door by joining this topic. I'll go easy on you, however. You may think im pompous and arrogant but if so, you can pray for me while you are here in church. I need all the help I can get!!
Now go to church if you want to preach.Theodoric writes: I'll try and keep up. I never claimed to be perfect. My claim essentially is that God is. Anyone who believes that Jesus is a myth has cut themselves off from encountering a human mediator.
I think a lot of us atheists have similar stories of our experiences with theists and particularly fundies. We see it here at EVC all the time. Phat does not see it but he is no different than all the other fundies.Not only are fundies math challenged, but evidently their beliefs strip away self-awareness. Pressie writes: In general I agree, Pressie. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When I got saved in 1993, that was extraordinary evidence for me.
To quote Judge Judy: "If it doesn't make any sense, it likely is not true." AZPaul3 writes: For me, a null result has never been the experience in my life. I live anything but null.
A prolonged and comprehensive absence of evidence is pretty hard evidence itself. Remember that in science a null result is evidence.AZPaul3 writes: And as I have recently pointed out in another thread, God uses and has used a minority against a majority. It is a Biblical Theme. You do know that Christianity is a minority religious cult, right? More than half the population of this planet, billions of your fellow human beings, think your cult is a poisonous and evil creed standing against the light and power of (insert other god here).Now...lets get to this argument regarding the word Arbitrator. Arbitrator: an independent person or body officially appointed to settle a dispute. adjudicator arbiter judge umpire referee assistant referee linesman line judge mediator conciliator intervenor intercessor go-between negotiator peacemaker Jesus is the mediator. he arbitrator. Theodoric writes: Right. Jesus is the Creator. Through Him all things were created. But that is not how you attempted to use it. You said it meant creator too. jar writes: So jar...do you believe that Jesus is a despot and/or a tyrant?
Are you saying that the duty of a Christian is to just give in to a despot and tyrant just because the tyrant is more powerful? No, I say that I would oppose such an evil creation. As a Christian I believe I have the duty to Fight the GOOD fight, to run the race. I would almost certainly lose but as a Christian that is still my duty.ringo,replying to me writes: You of course have a right to your belief. As I have a right to say you are wrong.
Your claims of his existence mean nothing. Theodoric writes: Have i defended arbitrator adequately or not? Pick a word and defend it. Or not.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It isn't a belief. It's a fact that claims alone have no value. Claims have to have something to back them up.
ringo writes:
You of course have a right to your belief. Your claims of his existence mean nothing. Phat writes:
But all you're doing is saying it. That's another claim with no value. Why don't you actually think about it and explain how I'm wrong? As I have a right to say you are wrong.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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You really need to stop listening to the demons in your head. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?-- A rather accurate religious meme. Christians grew some of the most evil fruits in all of human experience. Christians today continue to try to force their evil fruits down the throats of society. The only demons are the christians brainwashed into perpetrating your creeds evil. Christian is evil.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Although your argument has merit and I could argue it from both sides, I will only say for now that while most of them(us) are causing more harm than good, I will defend the minority. Lets get specific. name a few examples of specific people doing specific harm. You can even pick on those of us here at EvC.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
It's a fact that claims alone have no value. Claims have to have something to back them up. You have a point. I think what I meant when I asserted that you were wrong is that you are wrong in ...*thinks*...in ...in....well i'm still thinking. Often times I simply shoot these posts back to you in order to carry on the argument. I even had one prepared for you but in retrospect it was simply another attempt by me to articulate why I am right. What I'm starting to realize is that me being right does not automatically make you wrong. Of course I think in these terms due to the classical way that arguments proceed. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tangle Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Phat writes: That assumes that God would need to be entertained. Why wouldn't he? If you can make shit up about him so can I.
No, Tangle He is very much intervening with all of us. So you're actually agreeing with me, he does entertain himselfwith us.
Do you want evidence? I am the evidence. I bug you incessantly. So do my kids. So what. You're evidence of delusion that's all. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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You do understand Phat that there are a whole universe of folk that don't have a clue what that picture is supposed to say; it's a mute and certainly not worth a thousand words.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0 |
name a few examples of specific people doing specific harm. I'll give you one.
Mandate of God: White Supremacy Add killing abortion doctors and gay folks all over the world and the beat goes on. Is this necessary? Specifics are all over the internet and I'm being lazy. Here at EvC most of us pretty much already know where each other stands. No need to go there. I should probably add this to my tagline. Christian is still evil.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How can you be so adorable and such a snake at the same time?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0 |
I don't know. I haven't seen my horoscope in a while and I've lost track of which persona I'm supposed to be.
You do know personality ebbs and flows with the gravitational field lines of the solar system. I may be on the wrong side of some cycle or other.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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