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edge Member (Idle past 1959 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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I can feel the pain and anguish of your confusion from here.
The only pain I'm aware of is from dying brain cells absorbing effluent emitted by anti-evolution posts.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
JonF writes:
In retrospect, I should have asked for practical uses in applied science for the Darwinian (or neo-Darwinian) theory/explanation for the history of life on earth (as opposed to the theory of common descent). So this thread is pointless. (Someone (Stile, I think) implied that there might be such uses in "medicine" but I (my research team is on holidays at the moment) lost track of this part of the thread.) P.S. Everyone who knows me says my whole life has been pointless from the very beginning, so I guess it's hardly surprising that I came up with what you perceive to be a "pointless" thread. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Well, you have a nice avatar. P.S. Everyone who knows me says my whole life has been pointless from the very beginning, so I guess it's hardly surprising that I came up with what you perceive to be a "pointless" thread. Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Taq Member Posts: 10298 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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Dredge writes: (Someone (Stile, I think) implied that there might be such uses in "medicine" but I (my research team is on holidays at the moment) lost track of this part of the thread.) Conservation and overall evolution of gene sequences between species is being leveraged to study human genetic diseases:
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
Merci beaucoup. Your kind words are appreciated. Dredges (the machines) are truly lovely things.
Well, you have a nice avatar. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
That's all fine and dandy, but I fail to see how it demonstrates that accepting the Darwinian explanation is necessary to utilize knowledge of genetics in a practical sense. Are you saying a YEC biologist couldn't understand the genetics of extant organisms?
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edge Member (Idle past 1959 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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That's all fine and dandy, but I fail to see how it demonstrates that accepting the Darwinian explanation is necessary to utilize knowledge of genetics in a practical sense. Are you saying a YEC biologist couldn't understand the genetics of extant organisms?
If the concept of a common ancestor is used by just one scientists to make sense of life on earth, then it is useful. Period. I don't care that it is necessary or not, nor if YECs might understand genetics. This entire thread has been a specious argument based on one person's rather limited opinion.
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Taq Member Posts: 10298 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
Dredge writes: That's all fine and dandy, but I fail to see how it demonstrates that accepting the Darwinian explanation is necessary to utilize knowledge of genetics in a practical sense. Then why did you ask for practical uses for UCA?
Are you saying a YEC biologist couldn't understand the genetics of extant organisms?
Can you show me a YEC biologists who can predict which regions in a genome have function by using comparative genomics?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
edge writes:
Irrelevant to the OP
If the concept of a common ancestor is used by just one scientists to make sense of life on earth, then it is useful.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
In other words, you can't provide a practical use in applied science for the Darwinian explanation for the fossil record.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 228 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Dredge writes: I can. The very idea of it pisses creationists off. That's more than enough practical use for me! In other words, you can't provide a practical use in applied science for the Darwinian explanation for the fossil record. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 849 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I didn't say that the OP took the attitude that "practical" is the only measure of the need for knowledge. But the OP does begin with "I've been looking for a practical use in applied science for the information..." And you, of course, just wrote, "...no practical yet..."
The idea of a universal common ancestor is a concept in a branch of science with enormous practical applications. If you look it up, you'll find applications to patterns of disease mutation, relative virulence of parasites, handling drug or pesticide resistance, selective breeding ("artificial" selection finds knowledge of "natural" selection useful!), evaluation of possible hazards from genetically modified crops, preservation of endangered species, understanding of gene function (if you know the pattern of descent it helps in learning about genes with still-unknown function), development of biological strains to decompose hazardous materials, genetic algorithms . . .
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Taq Member Posts: 10298 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
Dredge writes: In other words, you can't provide a practical use in applied science for the Darwinian explanation for the fossil record. I already supplied that practical use.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
The practical use you supplied involves information relating to extant organisms - in other words, a biologist could believe the world is a hundred years old and still gain and use that information. So the "information" that life on earth is the result of Darwinian evolution is completely irrelevant to gaining and using the genetic information you mentioned.
I already supplied that practical use.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
. all this information would have be gained and these uses would have been developed if everyone believed life on earth was 100 years old - which means the Darwinian explanation for the history of life on earth is completely irrelevant to them.
The idea of a universal common ancestor is a concept in a branch of science with enormous practical applications. If you look it up, you'll find applications to patterns of disease mutation, relative virulence of parasites, handling drug or pesticide resistance, selective breeding ("artificial" selection finds knowledge of "natural" selection useful!), evaluation of possible hazards from genetically modified crops, preservation of endangered species, understanding of gene function (if you know the pattern of descent it helps in learning about genes with still-unknown function), development of biological strains to decompose hazardous materials, genetic algorithms . . . Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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