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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
So you got nothing. Everything you typed means nothing. Hard to believe in something that cannot be described concretely and seemingly everyone has their own opinion.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
I agree. God expects us to grow. We cant forever be an ignorant bunch of backwoods Bible Thumpers.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Theodoric, addressing Faith writes: And God would likely understand your emotional reaction, as well as your refusal to believe. I reject your concept of a god totally and completely. If your god existed, I would tell him to fuck himself for all of the misery he has caused. Let me read the link you gave her to see if I get a different take on it.
Theodoric writes: You seem to insist that I express myself in my own words, which is what I usually do here, but you then usually get angry and accuse me of being just like the rest of them. You are quick to judge. I recall that you found some story about the human foible and dishonesty ofRavi Zacharias, but I noted that you seemed to relish finding one major fault (if it was even true) about him and then judging him accordingly. I think a lot of us atheists have similar stories of our experiences with theists and particularly fundies. We see it here at EVC all the time. Phat does not see it, but he is no different than all the other fundies.Tangle, replying to me writes: You believe in magic? FFS Phat...no way, surely?Theodoric, following up on Tangles comment writes: He has to if he believes in a god. Let's define magic.
Google Dictionary writes: And Note that I can't influence what God is going to do, nor should I even want to. He can handle His job quite adequately. noun Magic--the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces. ... That last definition fits my feelings regarding belief in general. I could rightly be accused of not only having confirmation bias in regards to every prayer I have had answered and every amazing event that I have witnessed but in a way, it's almost like a verification bias. The evidence which I will accept is not evidence that can be objectively replicated on demand for the Randi committee of paranormal claims. Theodoric seems to me to be the puny human ant on the pale blue dot, shaking his fist at the sky. Granted he loves and embraces evidence...verified only through social consensus and agreement. But as to the possibility that a supernatural Being could exist? Fuck Him! (Theodoric would say)
Mysterious tricks, such as making things disappear and appear again, performed as entertainment. illusion prestidigitation deception trickery juggling jiggery-pokery a quality that makes something seem removed from everyday life, especially in a way that gives delight.
Something that has a delightfully unusual quality. Sorcery witchcraft wizardry necromancy enchantment spell working incantation the supernatural occultism the occult black magic the black arts devilry divination malediction voodoo hoodoo used in magic or working by magic; having or having supernatural powers. Very effective in producing results, especially desired ones. Wonderful; exciting. Fascinating, captivating tremendous phenomenal sensational heavenly gorgeous dreamy grand fabulous fab fabby fantabulous supercalifragilisticexpialidocious awesome, mind-blowing divine goodly move, change or create by or as if by magic. ringo writes: Sez you. Obviously it is more evident to you...despite a lack of evidence in God, to begin with, you seem to prefer that an uncaring God would be more likely than the God I describe and market. There could be a God who was not made up by humans and who has no desire whatsoever to communicate with us. That possibility and the possibility of no God at all are more evident than your gregarious God.Theodoric writes: As well as their own preconceived bias! Just know that He won't smite you when you tell Him to fuck off. He will have you on your knees, however...willingly or unwillingly. Comments? So You got nothing. Everything you typed means nothing. Hard to believe in something that cannot be described concretely and seemingly everyone has their own opinion.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Do you think that *we* are here for no purpose? Just answer the question.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 673 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I have met Jesus - exactly the same way as you have. I have also met Long John Silver and Tom Joad and Holden Caulfield.
Our secular humanist friends here at EvC collectively feel more comfortable with scientific and supportable theories vs. what they would consider empty beliefs. But then they have not yet met Jesus. Phat writes:
The question you should be asking is, "If something is not evident, how can you know whether it exists or not?" To me, the next question is this: Can something exist that is not evident?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 673 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
How to Cook Forty Humans. Do you think that *we* are here for no purpose? I think I prefer my own made-up purpose.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Do you think that *we* are here for no purpose? Just answer the question. The answer will vary with every single person ever born. And yet it will also remain the same for every single person ever born. We are here for what ever purpose the individual creates.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8656 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
dup
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8656 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
That is of course a slanderous lye ... Oh, not just a lye ... a lie, but a slanderous one at that. As if the world doesn't already know your creed has been not just wishing death but causing death wherever it goes since its inception.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1705 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So I'm this evll person who is madly in love with an evll doctrine. Wow. I don't even know what you are talking about, and I doubt even you know.
ABE: It seems to be the mind set of the day though. Trump is totally innocent, hasn't done any of the things he's accused of, but your side of the political divide makes him out to be worse than the worst murderous despot in history. It's hard to fathom. Not liking him I get, he blunders a lot, but that's not evll. He has the true American perspective, the America I love, good America, America that does no intentional harm and is a sacrificial helper of other nations. And Christianity is what brought civilized behavior to the world. It is painful to hear goodness vilified. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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quote: Let’s note the subtitle. “The Evidence is the Believers Themselves” And as evidence, your behaviour doesn’t do your religion any credit.
quote: Of course Trump is guilty of a lot, and your lying to defend him is just one of your many sins. But nobody has called for him to be subjected to a show trial and execution. That sort of thing comes from people like you. But I don’t blame Christianity for you. I take your claim to be Christian as just another one of your smears.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1705 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As an accuser and killer of souls, you outdo many of your political persuasion although the ideological group as a whole is good at it. It seems to be their ONLY activity lately.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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Just more proof of my point.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1705 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And that is proof of what *I* said.
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
ringo writes: And this gets back to our old argument about how evidence is defined. You used to irately ask me how I had the gall to make up my own definition, so I'll elaborate here:
If something is not evident, how can you know whether it exists or not?" Google Dictionary writes: noun evidence1) the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. 2)information given personally, drawn from a document, or in the form of material objects, tending or used to establish facts in a legal investigation or admissible as testimony in court. proof confirmation verification substantiation corroboration affirmation authentication attestation documentation support for backing for reinforcement for grounds for testimony statement sworn statement attestation declaration avowal plea submission claim contention charge allegation deposition representation affidavit asseveration averment signs or indications of something. signs indications pointers marks traces suggestions hints manifestation verb verb evidence 3rd person present evidences past tense evidenced past participle evidenced gerund or present participle evidencing be or show evidence of. indicate show reveal be evidence of display exhibit manifest denote evince signify testify to attest to verify confirm prove substantiate endorse back up support bear out give credence to Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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