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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
...there is no convincing evidence that you are not deluded. I believe the scientific view is that you can't make a judgment based on an absence of evidence. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, but in the case of religious belief, you do have the evidence of millions of fellow human beings who believe in some version or other of religious or supernatural phenomena. When I was an unbeliever I couldn't bring myself to assume they were deluded so I had to count their belief as evidence though it wasn't enough to make me a believer against my own personal lack of evidence. But that still seems to me to be the rational thing to do, as opposed to dismissing huge numbers of human beings as deluded.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah I can't answer that so kill me already. I have to depend on knowing that Christianity is the truth and has been the greatest force for good on the planet ever, and if you don't get it so what. And actually you are wrong, anyone who really thinks about it knows Christianity is the truth, all the rest is satanic bias.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Where do you get that crap? Have you bothered to read the gospels?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are not talking about the gospels in which there is no bloodshed or any such thing unless you mean the cross which God inflicted on Himself and not on anyone else and which is salvation for all those innocents you are trying to make out as victims. Your evll talk doesn't deserve any more attention from me.
If you really think I'm defending such an evll doctrine, you should be advocating my death. Go ahead, that's the inevitable direction such talk has to go. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are accusing me of defending something evll. I think it's the most beautiful thing that ever happened to the human race. And you accuse me regularly of all kinds of evll things anyway, all of you do. So please, send a hit man and kill me. Please. I'm sure you can arrange that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That is of course a slanderous lye but then that's what your side of the political divide is particularly good at.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So I'm this evll person who is madly in love with an evll doctrine. Wow. I don't even know what you are talking about, and I doubt even you know.
ABE: It seems to be the mind set of the day though. Trump is totally innocent, hasn't done any of the things he's accused of, but your side of the political divide makes him out to be worse than the worst murderous despot in history. It's hard to fathom. Not liking him I get, he blunders a lot, but that's not evll. He has the true American perspective, the America I love, good America, America that does no intentional harm and is a sacrificial helper of other nations. And Christianity is what brought civilized behavior to the world. It is painful to hear goodness vilified. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As an accuser and killer of souls, you outdo many of your political persuasion although the ideological group as a whole is good at it. It seems to be their ONLY activity lately.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And that is proof of what *I* said.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Very true, dredge, and it's hard to believe that no matter how obvious that fact is he insists he's a Christian anyway.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You can't use Hebrews 11 as your sole definition of evidence. Remember that the KJV was wrtiiten several centuries ago when our ideas about scientific evidence and even judicial evidence were very different. The NIV, for example, uses the word "assurance" instead. The ASV, the ESV and the RSV use "conviction". Don't assume too much about the word choices for the more modern translations. Not only are the Greek texts corrupt but there is a legal requirement that to justify publishing a new translation requires that it have a certain number of differences from those already published. So most of the changes are nothing more than synonyms for terms in other versions, with little or no actual translational justification. The KJV wasn't "written," it was a translation. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Showing that is not easy. Dean John William Burgon went to great lengths to show the corruptions of the Greek texts as well as the bad translation of the "New Revised Edition" put out in 1881 as a supposed updating of the KJV which was really a wholesale retranslation based on bad texts and bad translation.
He wrote a number of books on the subject. The main one was "The Revision Revised" which covered the corruptions and the translational choices. He also wrote one specifically on the corruptions of the Greek texts. I also have a blog on all this, The Great Bible Hoax of 1881. I've collected a list of books on the subject, many of them by Burgon, in the right margin. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Luther wasn't wrog about much but he was wrong to reject books we now regard as canonical.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How can you be so adorable and such a snake at the same time?
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