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Tanypteryx
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Message 481 of 872 (855519)
06-20-2019 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 475 by Faith
06-20-2019 11:42 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Faith writes:
But you guys aggressively assert that my beliefs, and Thug's and dredge's and others' are "not real" based on what? NOTHING, nothing at all.
That's correct, you have NOTHING, no convincing evidence that you are not just deluded.
Faith writes:
That's not a scientific stance
That's the only stance science can take because there is no convincing evidence that you are not deluded.
A psychotic Santa Claus secret invisible friend for deluded adults.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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ringo
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Message 482 of 872 (855529)
06-20-2019 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by Faith
06-20-2019 12:01 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Faith writes:
Well, a debate at EvC wouldn't be the magnificent thing it is without the gadfly point of view.
You gad and I gad your gadding.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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AZPaul3
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Message 483 of 872 (855547)
06-20-2019 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by Faith
06-20-2019 11:52 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
I like my eggs over easy but I'm having difficulty finding a spatula big enough to turn this beast.
The certainty is incomprehensible.
Which means there is no certainty.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 484 of 872 (855549)
06-20-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by AZPaul3
06-20-2019 1:04 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Which means there is no certainty.
Your flat "BS" sounds pretty certain.

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Faith 
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Message 485 of 872 (855552)
06-20-2019 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by Tanypteryx
06-20-2019 12:08 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
...there is no convincing evidence that you are not deluded.
I believe the scientific view is that you can't make a judgment based on an absence of evidence.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 486 of 872 (855564)
06-20-2019 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 485 by Faith
06-20-2019 1:19 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
You would be wrong there. A prolonged and comprehensive absence of evidence is pretty hard evidence itself. Remember that in science a null result is evidence.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 487 of 872 (855566)
06-20-2019 1:44 PM
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06-20-2019 1:37 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
OK, but in the case of religious belief, you do have the evidence of millions of fellow human beings who believe in some version or other of religious or supernatural phenomena. When I was an unbeliever I couldn't bring myself to assume they were deluded so I had to count their belief as evidence though it wasn't enough to make me a believer against my own personal lack of evidence. But that still seems to me to be the rational thing to do, as opposed to dismissing huge numbers of human beings as deluded.

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AZPaul3
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Message 488 of 872 (855567)
06-20-2019 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by Faith
06-20-2019 1:44 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
You do know that Christianity is a minority religious cult, right? More than half the population of this planet, billions of your fellow human beings, think your cult is a poisonous and evil creed standing against the light and power of (insert other god here).
According to your "popularity" view they are not wrong.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 489 of 872 (855574)
06-20-2019 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by AZPaul3
06-20-2019 1:53 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Yeah I can't answer that so kill me already. I have to depend on knowing that Christianity is the truth and has been the greatest force for good on the planet ever, and if you don't get it so what. And actually you are wrong, anyone who really thinks about it knows Christianity is the truth, all the rest is satanic bias.

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AZPaul3
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Message 490 of 872 (855577)
06-20-2019 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by Faith
06-20-2019 2:31 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Christianity is an evil plot by the Illiteratii to subjugate all mankind. It is a bloodthirsty cult of ignorance, violence, hate and pain. Anyone who thinks christianity is truth is a spawn of evil worthy of your fictitious Satan.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 491 of 872 (855578)
06-20-2019 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by AZPaul3
06-20-2019 2:44 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Where do you get that crap? Have you bothered to read the gospels?

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AZPaul3
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Message 492 of 872 (855579)
06-20-2019 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by Faith
06-20-2019 3:11 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Many times.
It is not just the evil and bloodshed portrayed in your gospel. More it is the evil and bloodshed you christian practitioners plague upon the species.
Your gospel is full of oppression, repression, murder, slaughter and war against innocents. The larger problem is your adherents seek to visit the same on the whole of the population of this planet.
Christian is evil.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 493 of 872 (855581)
06-20-2019 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 492 by AZPaul3
06-20-2019 3:31 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
You are not talking about the gospels in which there is no bloodshed or any such thing unless you mean the cross which God inflicted on Himself and not on anyone else and which is salvation for all those innocents you are trying to make out as victims. Your evll talk doesn't deserve any more attention from me.
If you really think I'm defending such an evll doctrine, you should be advocating my death. Go ahead, that's the inevitable direction such talk has to go.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 494 of 872 (855584)
06-20-2019 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by Faith
06-20-2019 3:45 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Have you read the bible? Have you read the christian gospels?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 495 of 872 (855585)
06-20-2019 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by Theodoric
06-20-2019 4:02 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
You are accusing me of defending something evll. I think it's the most beautiful thing that ever happened to the human race. And you accuse me regularly of all kinds of evll things anyway, all of you do. So please, send a hit man and kill me. Please. I'm sure you can arrange that.

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