Faith writes:
... but the Fall is why there is death, disease, and suffering in this world.
AZPaul3 writes:
There is death, disease, and suffering in this world because of entropy. Everything changes. Everything dies. All quite natural. All quite normal.
Unfortunately, this 6th mass extinction is our own doing and may very well claim us as casualties.
Faith writes:
Entropy is one of the results of the Fall. Nothing in this world is natural and healthy since the Fall, but of course, you have no way of knowing that. I do, though. We lost the perfection of the original Creation at the Fall, but it will be restored when Jesus returns.
And I don't know what you mean by "this sixth extinction," but all such things are the result of the Fall.
Perhaps he means this:
Wiki writes:
The Holocene extinction, otherwise referred to as the sixth mass extinction or Anthropocene extinction, is a current event, and is one of the most significant extinction events in the history of the Earth. This ongoing extinction of species coincides with the present Holocene epoch and is a result of human activity.
Of course, AZPaul3 does not believe in stories from the Bible nor the Fall, but apparently, he does knowingly or unknowingly believe in a god of forces. Note: NKJV and NIV refer to a "god of fortresses whereas KJV refers to a god of forces. Some could attribute this homage to "Mother Nature"...
Wiki writes:
In Greek mythology, Gaia (/e./ or /a./; from Ancient Greek —, a poetical form of G, "land" or "earth"),[1] also spelled Gaea (/d’i/), is the personification of the Earth[2] and one of the Greek primordial deities. Gaia is the ancestral mother of all life: the primal Mother Earth goddess. She is the immediate parent of Uranus (the sky), from whose sexual union she bore the Titans (themselves parents of many of the Olympian gods) and the Giants, and of Pontus (the sea), from whose union she bore the primordial sea gods. Her equivalent in the Roman pantheon was Terra.[3]
AZPaul3 writes:
Compared to nature, your god is a teddy bear. An ugly mean, bloodthirsty teddy bear. But Ma Nature is the absolute most badass killer of all time. Nothing survives her embrace. Not even gods.
Let the record show that AZPaul3 knowing, unknowingly, tongue-in-cheek or sarcastically refers to the understanding of science as Mother nature, "a badass...stronger than any gods.
The secular peanut gallery pounds the table and demands evidence! We refer them to what is being written and what has been written. Meanwhile, the outside observers note that the secular humanists get quite angry at our absolute truth claims, saying that we are merely asserting literary mythos as factual. But lets again examine AZPaul3's statement earlier:
AZPaul3 writes:
Compared to nature, your god is a teddy bear. (...) But Ma Nature is the absolute most badass killer of all time. Nothing survives her embrace. Not even gods.
Ever heard of the "god of forces" mentioned in Daniel?
Dan 11:29-12:4 writes:
The Northern King's Blasphemies
"At the appointed time, he shall return and go toward the south, but it shall not be like the former or the latter. 30 For ships from Cyprus shall come against him; therefore, he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.
"So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. 32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery, but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. 33 And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.
36 "
Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place, he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. 39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
The Northern King's Conquests
"At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. 41 He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also, the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels. 44 But news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore, he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many. 45 And he shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.
So who could we shoehorn in as the "King of the North? How about Putin? Let's see what he is doing lately over in Russia--
7,000 Churches Fasting, Praying Over Terrifying New Persecution Law Recently enacted a bit over two years ago, this bill from our King Of The North toughens punishment for what is called "organized mass unrest."
Furthermore, Great Commission Ministries Chairman Hanny Haukka tells Charisma News the law entails:
Foreign guests are not permitted to speak in churches unless they have a "work permit" from Russian authorities
If a friend or relative from outside Russia wishes to share his/her faith in your home, the guest will be fined and expelled from Russia.
Any discussion of God with non-believers is considered missionary activity and will be punishable.
Missionary activity will be permitted by special government permission. Example: If one traveling on a train shares his faith without written permission, the offender will be taken into police custody for the duration of the journey and will be fined 50,000 rubles ($1,000).
Offenders from the age of 14-years-old will be subject to prosecution
Religious activity is no longer permitted in private homes. Most churches in Russia meet in homes.
Every citizen is obligated to report religious activity of neighbors to the authorities. Failure to be an informant is punishable by law.
One may pray and read the Bible at home but not in the presence of a non-believing person. You will be breaking the law and be punished.
If the church has purchased a property, it cannot be converted into a place of worship.
In church buildings, it is not permitted to invite people to turn to God. Worship services are permitted but making a non-believer a follower of Christ is against the law.
Daniel 12:1 writes:
"At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the sky,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
NKJV
Comments?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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