Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Not from your fiction.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
But you are not me and I am a Christian. And the fact remains that all of the Gods and gods that we can and have ever described are simply human creations.
You are a "Christian" but you don't believe that God exists?
Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Dredge writes:
If energy and matter had a beginning, what did they come from? Nothing?
That's one possibility.
If energy and matter didn't have a beginning, they must have always existed.
That's another possibility.
We'll let you know if/when we've worked it out.
Meanwhile what has it got to do with nailing a ape to a cross?
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Meanwhile, what has it got to do with nailing an ape to a cross?
Scoffers. I doubt many of you will watch this evangelist with no arms and no legs explain why Jesus (whom you callously call an ape) sparked a purpose in his life. You all want evidence? This evangelist is evidence.
Theodoric will no doubt demand that I stop "preaching" but he has every right to ignore my post.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
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You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity. In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
You all want evidence? This evangelist is evidence.
He's certainly evidence for a lack of a loving god, I'll give you that.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
He is touching, Phat. I missed his name though. I guess he was a victim of Thalidomide? I saw a video about Thalidomide people, unbelievers though. They'd managed to have fairly normal llves, though of course without the happy future this man has. I'm glad he's married and has children, able to have a more or less normal llfe. And yes, nice to know he'll be "in that number" with all of us, but with his body intact. I'll be glad if I get to look more llke my younger self than the way I look now but that sounds selfish after seeing him.
Is it possible for you to learn some theology, or is that asking too much? God created everything absolutely perfect, but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world. This is the primary thing Jesus rescues us from through that cross you ridicule and denigrate, though it certainly shows the love of God you deny. This is all standard traditional Christian theology despite the oddballs who deny it.
Is it possible for you to learn some theology, or is that asking too much?
I've learnt your 'theology' Faith, it's utter bullshit.
God created everything absolutely perfect, but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world. This is the primary thing Jesus rescues us from through that cross you ridicule and denigrate, though it certainly shows the love of God you deny. This is all standard traditional Christian theology despite the oddballs who deny it.
Like I say, utter bullshit. Not even an internally consistent fabrication. The god who loves us tortures and kills us. How can so many be fooled by that absurd and evil idea.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
Every time you say God CREATED the misery I'm going to answer you about the Fall, no matter how much of your snark you throw at me, because you haven't learned the theology at all.
but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world.
There is death, disease and suffering in this world because of entropy. Everything changes. Everything dies. All quite natural. All quite normal.
Unfortunately this 6th mass extinction is our own doing and may very well claim us as casualties.
Compared to nature your god is a teddy bear. An ugly mean, bloodthirsty teddy bear. But Ma Nature is the absolute most bad ass killer of all time. Nothing survives her embrace. Not even gods.
Entropy is one of the results of the Fall. Nothing in this world is natural and normal since the Fall but of course you have no way of knowing that. I do though. We lost the perfection of the original Creation at the Fall but it will be restored when Jesus returns.
And I don't know what you mean by "this sixth extinction" but all such things are the result of the Fall. If this were taken into account it might be possible to mitigate its effects but since it's not all we can do is pray. We who believe in prayer of course.
Of course it is. So are republicans and christians.
If this were taken into account it might be possible to mitigate its effects
Mitigate the effects of entropy? You do know entropy is the flow of energy, its temporary concentration and its inevitable dispersion, right? Good luck with that.
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