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Topic: Who Made God?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 9.2
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Message 421 of 872 (855283)
06-18-2019 11:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 420 by Faith
06-18-2019 6:56 AM
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Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Oh, you convinced me, it's fiction.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 422 of 872 (855288)
06-18-2019 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 420 by Faith
06-18-2019 6:56 AM
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Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Faith writes: But that's a definition of God, the uncreated, the uncaused cause. Or as scripture puts it, I AM that I AM. You can't just call it fiction, that's absurd.
Of course you can call it fiction. A definition doesn't make something real. We have definitions of leprechauns, unicorns, etc., all of which you call fiction.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1701 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 423 of 872 (855293)
06-18-2019 1:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 422 by ringo
06-18-2019 11:47 AM
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But there's confusion about what God is, expressed at EvC very recently, so if we can't even give the traditional definition of God that will never get straightened out. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 424 of 872 (855313)
06-18-2019 5:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 423 by Faith
06-18-2019 1:30 PM
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Faith writes: But there's confusion about what God is, expressed at EvC very recently, so if we can't even give the traditional definition of God that will never get straightened out.
Whether your definition of God is "traditional" or not has no bearing on whether or not he's fiction.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1701 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 425 of 872 (855321)
06-18-2019 5:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 424 by ringo
06-18-2019 5:06 PM
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What it has bearing on is the abusive attitude toward tradition, but I guess EvC is beyond caring about such things.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 426 of 872 (855323)
06-18-2019 5:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 425 by Faith
06-18-2019 5:22 PM
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Faith writes: What it has bearing on is the abusive attitude toward tradition....
It isn't an "abusive" attitude. It's a realistic attitude. Traditions can be fiction. In fact, people like you who insist on the literal truth of your traditions often miss out on the real value of those traditions.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1701 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 427 of 872 (855327)
06-18-2019 5:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 426 by ringo
06-18-2019 5:27 PM
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It's an abusive attitude, aimed against an ancient tradition that used to be treated with respect even by Krazy atheists. No longer.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 428 of 872 (855329)
06-18-2019 5:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 427 by Faith
06-18-2019 5:45 PM
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Faith writes: It's an abusive attitude, aimed against an ancient tradition that used to be treated with respect....
You're the one who disrespects tradition by treating obvious fiction (hint: talking snake) as if it was yesterday's newspaper. Instead of learning something from it, you use it to line bird cages.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Taq
Member Posts: 10302 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 7.1
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Message 429 of 872 (855330)
06-18-2019 5:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 427 by Faith
06-18-2019 5:45 PM
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Faith writes: It's an abusive attitude, aimed against an ancient tradition that used to be treated with respect even by Krazy atheists. No longer. Respect is earned, not simply given because something has existed for a certain amount of time. Segregation was a tradition in the South, but that didn't make it worth respecting. "We've always done it this way" is not a valid argument for something being respectable or true.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1701 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 430 of 872 (855332)
06-18-2019 5:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 429 by Taq
06-18-2019 5:50 PM
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Yeah well apparently it was considered to have been earned for two thousand years but today's barbarians have changed their mind. So what else is new. You do a fine job of defending the barbarians. Good for you. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 9.2
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Message 431 of 872 (855340)
06-18-2019 6:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 427 by Faith
06-18-2019 5:45 PM
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Calling it fiction is not abusive. Now if I had said it is a bunch of fucking bullshit and anyone who believes it should be locked up, that would be abusive, but I didn't say that. I said it's fiction.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1701 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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You're absolutely correct.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 433 of 872 (855350)
06-18-2019 7:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 427 by Faith
06-18-2019 5:45 PM
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It's an abusive attitude, aimed against an ancient tradition that used to be treated with respect even by Krazy atheists. No longer. The "no longer" is because you can't burn us at the stake anymore.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1701 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 434 of 872 (855352)
06-18-2019 7:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 433 by AZPaul3
06-18-2019 7:26 PM
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... Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 435 of 872 (855356)
06-18-2019 7:51 PM
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All God(s) and god(s) are created by humans.
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