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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
A below-replacement birth-rate eventually leads to an ever-increasing ageing population - ie, not many young people and lots of old people. If left unchecked, this will produce an economic disaster - huge chunks of workers' (young people) income will need to be taxed in order to support all the elderly. It could theoretically get to the stage where this welfare tax is so high that workers (the young) are virually working for no financial gain at all. Imagine the potential situation in which (on average) one worker has to support five or ten of the elderly (ie, non workers).
In Japan, such a situation is looming - it is estimated that in about twenty years, ONE THIRD of the population will be aged above 60. Feminism is worse than a fool's paradise - it's a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and a death trap.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
You're assuming the birth-rates of the immigrants will be healthy. But what if the immigrant women are brainwashed by feminism as well? They won't reproduce in sufficient numbers either.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
huge chunks of workers' (young people) income will need to be taxed in order to support all the elderly Tax schemes need to be changed. Simple. Easier and less disruptive than designating half our population as inferior beings. Why do Christians hate so much? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
The "replacement" level birth rate in first-world countries is about 2.1 children/ woman. I can't find any "feminist" countries that have a birth-rate at or above this level.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
If you know how macroevolution occurs, how would you bred synapsids to evolve into mammals?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
No kidding? You - the expert on "how macroevolution occurs" - wouldn’t even know where to start!
you are correct about one thing, I don’t know how to breed a winged-insect from a non-winged-insect I might not be able to breed a winged insect from a non-winged insect, but I can change a caterpillar into a butterfly, simply by feeding it the right food. Oh well, say no more - that confirms it - you really DO know “how macroevolution occurs” - your knowledge is right up there with your average ten year-old! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes: Due to the contingent nature of evolutionary histories, we shouldn't observe modern reptiles evolving into birds. If you understood how evolution works, you would already know this. Okay, well if you had access to ancient reptiles (ie, the evolutionary ancestors of birds) please explain how you would breed them to produce birds.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: What part of leave them alone for a few million years do you not understand? That is a breeding program that has already worked for every organism on this planet today That’s like saying, “This is how you breed sausage dogs from wolves: You just leave wolves alone to for a few thousand years and eventually they will evolve into sausage dogs.” In other words, you’re clueless as to how you would go about breeding synapsids to evolve into mammals - the best you can come with is, “Evolution done it” - which proves you really know nothing about “how macroevolution occurs.”
It may tell *you* nothing
Ya got that right! It’s tells me nothing because you know nothing about how macroevolution would actually work in a practical sense to produce the fossil record - all you’ve got is blind faith in meaningless theories.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
vimesey writes:
I take your point, but the thread ran off-topic about a thousand posts ago.
This diversion is off topic
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
If I asked you how to breed a sheep dog from wolves and you simply said "Mutations" I would have no idea about how to perform such a feat ... then I would conclude you know next to nothing about the subject. Face it, you have absolutely no idea how you would go about breeding non-winged insects to evolve into winged insects. Your claim to possessing macroevolutionary knowledge appears be delusionary and bogus. Mutations. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1658 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The "replacement" level birth rate in ... Why is this a concern? The population in the US has doubled since I was in high school, so obviously there can be a reduction in population and still have a viable population. A larger concern is overpopulation and whether or not we develop a sustainable culture. In ecology one talks about the carrying capacity of an environment. Studies/observations show that populations over that capacity results in temporary overuse of needed resources, and that results in less resources available for individuals, and this subsequently causes a reduction of population. The result is swings in population sizes (unless species develop (evolve) ability to use alternate resources or they move to new (for them) environments that can support them). Interesting read on this topic: Hairston, Nelson G., Frederick E. Smith, and Lawrence B. Slobodkin. "Community Structure, Population Control, and Competition." The American Naturalist 94, no. 879 (1960): 421-25. JSTOR: Access Check. ... known as the "Why is the world green" paper. Short explanation on youtube
Disclaimer: Frederick E. Smith was my father. For confirmation, see Ecologists explain why the world is green quote: These implications holds for humans as well. History also shows that human cultures have consistently grown until the population is so large it overused resources and that resulted in loss of sustainable culture and subsequent collapse. Cultures rose, prospered and then collapsed. Interesting read on this topic: The Day Before America by William H. MacLeish:
quote: It's about native cultures before America was "discovered" and named by Columbus et al, their history from first post ice age explorers to the large cultures that covered these lands before the Europeans arrived.
... I can't find any "feminist" countries ... We are not immune to the needs of sustainable culture and ecological awareness instead of blind population growth. Forcing women to have more children will not solve that problem. Blaming any group of (biased) choice for general problems they have not caused is counterproductive and doesn't solve the problem. Blaming 'others' (scapegoating) for problems you (your culture) have caused doesn't solve them. Understanding the problem is the first step in solving it. In ecological/evolutionary terms this means developing a sustainable culture rather than one that grows blindly with inevitable consequences. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : added. Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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edge Member (Idle past 1959 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
If I asked you how to breed a sheep dog from wolves and you simply said "Mutations" I would have no idea about how to perform such a feat ... then I would conclude you know next to nothing about the subject. Face it, you have absolutely no idea how you would go about breeding non-winged insects to evolve into winged insects.
Breeding is a form of selection and selection is not evolution. Your 'breeding' scenario for accomplishing evolution is nonsense. You need to decide what your point is.
Your claim to possessing macroevolutionary knowledge appears be delusionary and bogus.
Actually, your understanding of evolution is delusional and bogus.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.9
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Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes:
No kidding? You - the expert on "how macroevolution occurs" - wouldn’t even know where to start! you are correct about one thing, I don’t know how to breed a winged-insect from a non-winged-insect Not an expert, but I know what macroevolution is, and you do not.
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes: I might not be able to breed a winged insect from a non-winged insect, but I can change a caterpillar into a butterfly, simply by feeding it the right food. Oh well, say no more - that confirms it - you really DO know “how macroevolution occurs” - your knowledge is right up there with your average ten year-old! I know that breeding is not is not a surrogate for evolution and you do not. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.9 |
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes:
If I asked you how to breed a sheep dog from wolves and you simply said "Mutations" I would have no idea about how to perform such a feat ... then I would conclude you know next to nothing about the subject. Mutations. Yeah, but you didn't ask me that, did you? You asked Message 1210:
quote: Mutations is the obvious answer to reducing genetic diversity, but a grand plan for breeding insects is your delusion.
Dredge writes: then I would conclude you know next to nothing about the subject. And you would be correct, I know nothing about breeding sheep dogs from wolves and neither do you. You are apparently operating under the delusion that breeding and evolution are the same thing, but you are wrong.
Dredge writes: Face it, you have absolutely no idea how you would go about breeding non-winged insects to evolve into winged insects. And I note, I never claimed to have any ideas about this at all, but I have said that breeding is not a surrogate for evolution.
Dredge writes: Your claim to possessing macroevolutionary knowledge appears be delusionary and bogus. Well, your delusions on the subject are quite obvious, so until you know what you are talking about, no one else will know what you are talking about either.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
My assumption is based on facts - i.e. past history. Yours is based on a stupid misconception about feminism. You're assuming the birth-rates of the immigrants will be healthy. But what if the immigrant women are brainwashed by feminism as well? They won't reproduce in sufficient numbers either.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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