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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: Do they have any evidence that psychopaths by definition are largely Christian? If so, I need to rethink my mental aberrations. I surely don't want to be labeled as mentally deranged. But in the good ol' US of A, we already know more than half our population are psychopaths. Christian psychopaths. Of course, the standard party line is that we are a "peculiar people" and that the Godly in Christ will suffer persecution.
AZPaul3 writes: And yet if the evidence shows that psychopaths by definition are largely Christian, it is we who are the heretics to reality itself. We (atheists) are treated as heretics. Traitors to their god. Lost souls controlled by demons walking in their sacred midst.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I also elicit feedback from those close to me who know me the best---because they have perspective on my "normal" behavior. And so far I have passed their test...in fact they think I am becoming wiser and deeper.
Plus...as for you, the fact that you question whether faith and belief have any business in science shows which altar you have groveled at the whole time. Faith and I can agree... Boy will you guys be surprised one day soon! Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
LOL ...It will be surprising one way or another!
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: No, I don't. I listen to your arguments, don't I? And have done so for many years. Most Christians wouldn't bother. You only accept the opinions of sycophants who agree with you. And you mock those of us who might possibly be more objective.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo, addressing me writes: And you know that this is nonsensical because...? Granted it is a belief but it makes sense within the belief paradigm. You insist that all of scripture and belief must conform to your paradigm and be discussed under those terms, which is why we never get anywhere. And if you explain to me why "I am wrong" I submit that you indeed are groveling at that altar. You act as if though we invented God rather than the other way around. You keep coming back with the same old same old nonsensical claims like, "People choose Hell."Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
My evidence is admittedly not objective in the sense that it can be presented for critical review by a rainbow coalition of educated humanists. I would protest that such a group, likely composed largely of unbelievers or inclusivists, would itself be unable to appreciate the evidence if it somehow subjectively became known to them. They would write it off as a bad burrito or as authoritarian propaganda.
Does that make sense to you, or are you again annoyed by my insistence upon equal weight being given to exclusivity over inclusion?
We have evidence. You do not. You cannot have evidence for an eternal Deity nor of a living character. All that you have is a structured argument over why the book should be interpreted critically and dispassionate versus as a belief. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle writes: In order to respond with a coherent reply to your post, I tried to do a bit of quick research into what Pope Francis professes to believe. Some of my fundy friends (uneducated though they are) are convinced that Pope Francis is likely the False Prophet of the book of Revelation. Despite you guys thinking I have drunk the kool-aid, I reject such a belief unless and until I arrive at the same conclusion through my own research. So here I go: Most Catholics don't distrust Protestants. Most Catholics don't see any meaningful distinction between Catholics and Protestants. It's just something you inherit, like a surname. Obviously, I'm talking from the perspective of someone who has always lived in very secular countries, but I don't think trying to view things from the perspective of a doctrinaire zealot helps to understand how most Catholics, Protestants, etc think. First Source:
Theology Of Pope Francis. Notable quotes gleaned from article: quote:I can see where conservative Biblical Literalists who involve themselves with conservative politics would be outraged at a Pope who claimed to be the merciful shepherd to the poor rather than a capitalist believer who sees money as a blessing from God and who cringes at the prospect of giving away all that they own to the poor. quote:Protestant literalists would argue that original sin and an unregenerated heart make the vision of Pope Francis unrealistic and that he is, in fact, the false prophet because he seems so meek and Christlike yet has an underlying socialist agenda to redistribute the world's wealth. quote:That sums up a lot. Personally, my jury is still out. ringo and I have argued before whether the messenger (Jesus Christ) is as important as the message (feeding the poor and thinking logically rather than dogmatically) I insist that both the message and the messenger come together as a package deal. It is one thing to allow yourself to be a freethinker doing good deeds and quite another to walk in the Spirit and fulfill Christ's mission on earth. (yes I know that sounds arrogant and exclusivist! ) Finally, to sum it all up--Catholics value educated Priests and Bishops, claiming that some backwoods hick from Arkansas cant simply get slain in "the spirit" and become a preacher of any authority. The counter-argument to that is that one can not learn the principles of God through any secular education...one only learns to be critical of organized religion and to imagine that God is a definable concept rather than a living reality. Edited by Thugpreacha, : clarificationChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
quote:We both could learn a lesson about smugness and self-righteousness. Does it make you feel good to insult me? I am not trying to insult you. I am offending that arrogant spirit that runs you around. It has no power, however since it denies Christ. He will prevail, however. In the meantime, you and I can continue our debate/discussion. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I respect your thoughtful reply. I wanted to push a few buttons, and I achieved exactly that.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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