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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You may be honest here too when you try to psychoanalyze me - but being honest doesn't make you right. We know you see what you want to see. I was there. I watched the debate and the audience reactions. If my apologetics had any influence, it certainly didn't make me less honest.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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quote:If there was no God, would you help the poor? There isn't, and I still do.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
That's been done with help from medical science. Do you have hard evidence that any of them found "another side"? How, exactly, could somebody bring back verifiable evidence, even if there was "another side"? In order to claim that you must have died and seen what on the other side, then come back to tell us what you discovered. How did you do that? And how did you do that without some help from God?Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Actually it could be argued that God is the one making the claim. I AM that I Am.quote:Not a very compelling argument. Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
There was no "Fall". Eating the fruit made Adam and Eve more like God. He said so Himself. We suffer in this llfe due to the Fall...Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
But it wasn't a fall. And that WAS the Fall.Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You're calling God a liar.
Yes it was a fall. Faith writes:
Of course it did. It made us more like God. He said so:
And the knowledge of good and **** we got didn't do us any good.quote: Faith writes:
You can keep your commentators to yourself anyway. I found a discussion of these things at Got Questions but due to a glitch that recurs from time to time I lost it and now don't have the energy to go find it again.Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Of course I am. That's the only way to look at any Book. That's why the apologists and other hucksters get it wrong so often. They start with "the answers" and twist the Bible to fit them.
To be fair, however...you (ringo) are looking at the Bible from a critical thinking POV which mainstream apologetics and Christianity does not ascribe to. Phat writes:
If you could actually point out that what I say is nonsense, you might have something. Why can't you?
We can either conclude that they are willfully deceived and have an "agenda" (which is nothing more than telling the world that God has a plan and that Jesus is alive) or we can listen to your unenlightened common sense nonsense. Phat writes:
You can emulate Trump and claim I have it wrong or you could actually show that my evidence is "trumped up". Why don't you do that?
You can call me WRONG and have trumped up evidence to back the accusation up... Phat writes:
You can shove that nonsense. Until it actually happens, that story is no better than Goldilocks and the Three Bears. ... but once the reality manifests on this planet...Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Seriously, are you not embarrassed to post drivel like that? You should be.
If you go and continue to listen to heretics such as Richard Carrier (who has no clue that Jesus is real and will continue to be a tool of satan).... Phat writes:
If you think that's your job, you're as deluded as Faith. If nothing else, my rants will continue to enrage many, but I will rest easy knowing that I did my job.Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Then roll it out, for God's sake. If there's any sense to it at all, you should be able to defend it.
All I am suggesting is that there is, in my opinion, something to what the apologists say and have preached for many years. Phat writes:
The reason it's confusing is because the whole belief system is nonsense.
Perhaps one reason why all of this is so confusing is that we are in fact in a spiritual war and the bad guys don't want everyone finding out the truth. Phat writes:
You've been talking just like him lately.
I have no fond feelings for Donald Trump. Phat writes:
You'd be better off leaving God out of your thinking once in a while. "God moves in mysterious ways" can be used as an excuse for anything. Next thing we know, you'll be herding Jews into concentration camps because "God allowed it to happen".
At best, I think that God may have allowed him to become president... Phat writes:
Please just stop with the stupid "prophecies". It may well be that this event will trigger some major cultural and sociological societal shifts. The nutters will be vindicated...but the world will soon tire of the nutters and seek to abolish all religious expression....Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
John 22 makes an unsubstantiated claim. It's basically saying that anybody who doesn't agree with John is a liar. That sounds just like Faith. Why? Richard Carrier is in fact mentioned indirectly in scripture.Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
See Rule 4:
I could as esily tell you to take your opinions and beliefs to a secular humanist or atheist site, such as Internet Infidels.quote:Saying, "I believe..." is not supporting with evidence and reasoned argumentation. Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I don't think you do. When you're shown that your reasoning is wrong, you always fall back on, "But I believe...."
while I will agree that I have no evidence, I would argue that I DO have reasoned argumentation. Phat writes:
Can it? And for the record, reasoned argumentation can involve both belief and science.Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What "paradigm" are you talking about? The problem here is that you want your paradigm to be the default standard... "My paradigm", as far as I'm concerned, is reality - and that damn well is the default standard.
Phat writes:
You yourself keep saying so. Just today, in another thread, you said, "You cannot have evidence for an eternal Deity nor of a living character." Get your story straight.
...only because belief is in your opinion unevidenced. Phat writes:
Think.
But if it really were unevidenced, there would not be as many fervent believers now, would there. Of course there WOULD be. That same argument could be used for Islam - or Scientology, for that matter.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Of course there's a gray area. ... either Jesus died for our sins or He did not, there's no grey area there.... Did he even exist? That's pretty dark gray but not quite black. Did He die for our sins? Of course not. But that's gray because dying for our sins doesn't make any sense anyway. Did He rise from the dead? Of course not. But that's gray because it's irrelevant. Is He alive today? Of course not - but also irrelevant. Do His teachings have any value? That's a pretty light gray. What's unfortunate is that you espouse only the darkest parts. (Ironic, too.)All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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