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foreveryoung
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Message 226 of 438 (853370)
05-26-2019 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Stile
10-06-2009 9:53 AM


You can have a purpose in life when you sincerely believe in the God of the bible. Along with purpose comes meaning. You can have these things without God but not all purposes or life meanings are equally valuable if you are seeking something that will give you the ability to withstand suffering when it inevitably comes your way.

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foreveryoung
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Message 227 of 438 (853372)
05-26-2019 10:31 PM
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05-26-2019 3:52 PM


Re: a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
Is a leprechaun all knowing, all powerful and existing outside of time and space?

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Message 228 of 438 (853377)
05-27-2019 12:37 AM
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05-26-2019 10:31 PM


Re: a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
Is a leprechaun all knowing, all powerful and existing outside of time and space?
Of course. Have you not been paying attention?
And yes, its green and blue with some red on the hems.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Pressie
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Message 229 of 438 (853380)
05-27-2019 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
05-26-2019 10:31 PM


Re: a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
foreveryoung writes:
Is a leprechaun all knowing, all powerful and existing outside of time and space?
Of course it is. Have you not been paying attention?
A leprechaun also goes through walls and can see through walls. It even checks you out both when you have a healthy and unhealthy movement of the bowels. And when you masturbate. And when you have sex as well.
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Pressie
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Message 230 of 438 (853382)
05-27-2019 7:18 AM
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05-26-2019 10:25 PM


foreveryoug writes:
You can have a purpose in life when you sincerely believe in the God of the bible...
Nope.
I have multiple purposes in life without believing in any Spooks.

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jar
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Message 231 of 438 (853383)
05-27-2019 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
05-26-2019 10:31 PM


Re: a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
According to the Bible God is not all powerful and existing outside of time and space.
Once again you are simply demonstrating that you have not honestly read the Bible or honestly believe what is written in the Bible. And we have had this conversation before and you seem to prefer willful ignorance to honesty.

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Message 232 of 438 (853384)
05-27-2019 7:57 AM
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05-27-2019 7:26 AM


God is all powerful and outside time and space
According to the Bible God is not all powerful and existing outside of time and space.
Once again you are simply demonstrating that you have not honestly read the Bible or honestly believe what is written in the Bible.
Since you call FY dishonest you need to be answered.
God is Infinite
God is all powerful:
Omnipotence means that God is all-powerful or that He has unlimited power....There are many verses in the Bible where God reveals this aspect of His nature. One such verse is Psalm 115:3: “But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases.” Or when answering His disciples' question “Then who can be saved?” (Matthew 19:25), Jesus says, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26).
God is outside time and space:
Omnipresence means that God is always present. There is no place that you could go to escape God’s presence. God is not limited by time or space. He is present at every point of time and space. God’s infinite presence is significant because it establishes that God is eternal. God has always existed and will always exist. Before time began, God was. Before the world or even matter itself was created, God was. He has no beginning or end, and there was never a time He did not exist, nor will there be a time when He ceases to exist. Again, many verses in the Bible reveal this aspect of God’s nature to us, and one of them is Psalm 139:7-10: “Where can I go from Thy Spirit? Or where can I flee from Thy presence? If I ascend to heaven, Thou art there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, Thou art there. If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, Even there Thy hand will lead me, And Thy right hand will lay hold of me.”
God's Relationship to Time
We lve in a physical world with its four known space-time dimensions of length, width, height (or depth) and time. However, God dwells in a different dimension”the spirit realm”beyond the perception of our physical senses. It’s not that God isn’t real; it’s a matter of His not being limited by the physical laws and dimensions that govern our world (Isaiah 57:15). Knowing that “God is spirit” (John 4:24), what is His relationship to time?
In Psalm 90:4, Moses used a simple yet profound analogy in describing the timelessness of God: “For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.” The eternity of God is contrasted with the temporality of man. Our lives are but short and frail, but God does not weaken or fail with the passage of time.
In a sense, the marking of time is irrelevant to God because He transcends it. Peter, in 2 Peter 3:8, cautioned his readers not to let this one critical fact escape their notice”that God’s perspective on time is far different from mankind’s (Psalm 102:12, 24-27). The Lord does not count time as we do. He is above and outside of the sphere of time. God sees all of eternity’s past and eternity’s future. The time that passes on earth is of no consequence from God’s timeless perspective. A second is no different from an eon; a billion years pass like seconds to the eternal God.
Though we cannot possibly comprehend this idea of eternity or the timelessness of God, we in our finite minds try to confine an infinite God to our time schedule. Those who foolishly demand that God operate according to their time frame ignore the fact that He is the “High and Lofty One . . . who lves forever” (Isaiah 57:15) . .
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foreveryoung
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Message 233 of 438 (853386)
05-27-2019 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Pressie
05-27-2019 7:18 AM


It's highly unlikely any of those purposes will give you the ability to withstand severe setbacks in life unless perhaps you abide by some philosophy like stoicism and stoicism is a poor way to live compared to a God inspired purpose.
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Pressie
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Message 234 of 438 (853390)
05-27-2019 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 8:17 AM


foreveryoung writes:
It's highly unlikely any of those purposes will give you the ability to withstand severe setbacks in life unless perhaps you abide by some philosophy like stoicism and stoicism is a poor way to live compared to a God inspired purpose.
Says you.
You are completely wrong in my case.
You like word-salads, that's it.
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jar
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Message 235 of 438 (853391)
05-27-2019 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Faith
05-27-2019 7:57 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
And so you post more examples of Dogma and Carny Conjobs; yet more examples of the utter dishonesty that exemplifies "Biblical Christianity".
Does the Bible say that God walked with and talked with and made clothes for Adam & Eve? If so, then the Bible says God exists within time and space.
Does the Bible say that God wrestled with Jacob all night without defeating him? If so, then the Bible says God is not all powerful.
Does the Bible say that God came down to Earth and went WalkAbout to find out if the stories He had heard about Sodom and Gomorrah were true? If so the God is not all knowing.
You continue to show that not only have you not read the Bible but in fact have decided to believe the conmen rather than what is actually written.

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Message 236 of 438 (853392)
05-27-2019 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by jar
05-27-2019 8:31 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
Being Himself outside time and space does not mean God cannot operate WITHIN time and space. The whole Bible is a testimony to the fact that He does indeed operate in our dimension while nevertheless being Himself outside all of it.
God's Word gives us many accounts of His actions in time and space for the sake of our limited understanding, but we cannot put one part of the Bible in contradiction with another part of it: as long as the accounts exist that speak of His own nature as omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent we know that His interactions in our dimension are given for our sake and not as a definition of His nature.
It's God Himself you are accusing of being a "con man," because you fail to read the Bible as a whole in which every part modifies every other part.
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Message 237 of 438 (853393)
05-27-2019 9:15 AM
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05-27-2019 8:17 AM


FEY writes:
It's highly unlikely any of those purposes will give you the ability to withstand severe setbacks in life unless perhaps you abide by some philosophy like stoicism and stoicism is a poor way to live compared to a God inspired purpose.
Don't be ridiculous, millions of people get through life quite happily without needing the mental support from an imaginary magic being.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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jar
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Message 238 of 438 (853397)
05-27-2019 9:28 AM
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05-27-2019 8:40 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
Faith writes:
It's God Himself you are accusing of being a "con man," because you fail to read the Bible as a whole in which every part modifies every other part.
Bullshit Faith.
First, man not God, wrote the Bible.
Second, there is no such thing as "The Bible™"; rather there are many different Bibles with the smallest being only 5 books and the largest having over 80 books.
Third, there is no evidence that the Bible is "a whole" but rather ALL of the evidence shows it is simply a collection, a compendium of different, often contradictory stories.
It is the "Inerrant Bible" cult that I am calling Conmen, utterly dishonest and divorced from reality.

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Message 239 of 438 (853402)
05-27-2019 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
05-26-2019 10:31 PM


All praise Her Noodliness
Of course not. Her Noodlieness, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, is all powerful and existing outside of time and space. If you do not think so, then prove me wrong.
As a Pastafarian Minister and Theologian I know what I am talking about.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 240 of 438 (853413)
05-27-2019 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by jar
05-27-2019 9:28 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
jar writes:
First, man not God, wrote the Bible.
Not according to the Bible itself, as held by traditionalists. God authored the Bible by inspiring His chosen men to do the work of putting it to paper under the leading of the Holy Spirit:
2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
("prophecy" is another word for messages given by God)
Second, there is no such thing as "The Bible™"; rather there are many different Bibles with the smallest being only 5 books and the largest having over 80 books.
The Bible is considered by traditionalists today to be a single whole, composed of 66 separate writings, 39 Old Testament and 27 New Testament, all inspired by God and therefore inerrant in their original form, and all consistent with each other, all telling the same story in different ways over the centuries. Some writings were rejected over the centuries as not inspired by God though they may be honored as consistent with the revelation.
Third, there is no evidence that the Bible is "a whole" but rather ALL of the evidence shows it is simply a collection, a compendium of different, often contradictory stories.
It is considered a whole by us traditionalists and treated as a whole in our interpretations of it, always regarding every part as modifying and being modified by every other part. Your view is a very unintelligent revision that only misleads you.
It is the "Inerrant Bible" cult that I am calling Conmen, utterly dishonest and divorced from reality.
And of course we inerrantists return the compliment.
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