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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Isn't that a bit like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse?
... as long as I am allowed to be a religious moderator here at this forum I will frame the paradigm and status flow in context to my own belief and authority. Phat writes:
Or maybe they seek the truth.
Critics may well say that the authors of John were redactors with an independent ulterior motive, but I will challenge that assertion even if it comes from reputed scholars. Reason being, they seek to discredit the inerrancy and authority of scripture. Phat writes:
So, Mr. Fox, you'll eat whomever you choose.
... who gave you your flipping authority to freely squawk out your propaganda at this forum? Certainly not I. Phat writes:
Bye.
And furthermore...to any others who wish to defend this right to reduce Faith & Belief to a relativistic position, fuck you too! I'll leave this forum in a heartbeat. Phat writes:
Well, you're going to get it, so you can either fasten your seatbelt or bail out. I don't need any shit from anyone here regarding the inerrancy and authority of scripture.Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Your "liberal" government? Give your head a shake. If our pagan liberal government ever allowed you people equal time with the genuine preachers, we would know that the end was near. And yes, your government, whatever its orientation, is REQUIRED by your Constitution to allow equal time. Otherwise you'd be forced to be a Puritan and you'd go to the ducking stool for smiling on Sunday.
Phat writes:
Would this be a good time to invest in barbed wire? At that point, I would be in favor of shutting all of us up publically...Izquierdo.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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o any others who wish to defend this right to reduce Faith & Belief to a relativistic position, fuck you too! I'll leave this forum in a heartbeat. I don't need any shit from anyone here regarding the inerrancy and authority of scripture. If you don't like it, one of us will go. And I'll let God decide who.
Buh-bye. Amazing how people react when they feel their beliefs are attacked. Now maybe you have a little feeling of how atheists feel listening to your claptrap.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Yes, everyone...Phat is having a meltdown this morning...don't ask me why. Something about what Celestial Gourd says strikes a raw nerve in me.
Tough shit. Your beliefs are no more special or important than his. You are acting exactly as us nonbelievers expect you to act. You are no different than Faith. Faith just doesn't care at all what people think.
If our pagan liberal government ever allowed you people equal time with the genuine preachers, we would know that the end was near. At that point, I would be in favor of shutting all of us up publically
Try it you right wing religious fascist.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Looks like Phat has finally lost the plot and gone over to the dark side where things are simple.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
sounds as if you too are having a meltdown. For the record, I am more of a moderate than I am right wing. And I hardly think of myself as a fascist. You just get your panties in a bunch at the very idea of any God having any veto power over your precious free will. Quid pro Quo, Dr. Lector?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The dark side? How could I have become the very thing I was opposed to?
We need to go fishing and forget all of this religious philosophy for a while. And As I said, I need to lay off the stimulants and get more exercise. Dark Side, Schmark Side Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: The dark side? How could I have become the very thing I was opposed to? Very, very easily, you just have to achieve certainty in a belief system and start getting angry and blocking, barring and denouncing believers of different beliefs systems.
We need to go fishing and forget all of this religious philosophy for a while. Spent two days doing just that and I have no difficulty forgetting religious philosophy, for me it's just a hobby when bored. For you it seems all encompassing. That's unhealthy.
And As I said, I need to lay off the stimulants and get more exercise. No argument there.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I am not having a melt down. Crap like what you post I deal with every day. Every day I hear it from you self righteous, holier than thou christians. I just find it funny that you think people should care because you get your undies in a wad when you feel your beliefs are attacked. Welcome to the world of every atheist, everywhere.
For the record, I am more of a moderate than I am right wing. And I hardly think of myself as a fascist.
Your latest posts show that this is not true. You may think you are a moderate but you are a right wing entitled white christian.
You just get your panties in a bunch at the very idea of any God having any veto power over your precious free will.
You have no idea how stupid that sounds do you? I have no belief in a God or a god. None. Therefore this thing you attribute to me can not be true.Stop now, you are just embarrassing yourself. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: If God exists, God exists regardless of what you believe. Stop embarrassing yourself. I have no belief in a God or a god. None. Therefore this thing you attribute to me cannot be true.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
If a god does not exist, a god does not exist regardless of what you believe.
Did you see what I just did? If you want to continue to embarrass yourself go right ahead. There is no god, never was, never will be. If there were there would be evidence and the laws of science would not stand. Jesus Christ is a myth. If he wasn't there would be actual contemporary, corroborated evidence for him. As there is no more for him then William Tell, they exist in the same sphere of myth. I thought you were leaving. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: Guilty as charged, except that I am a moderate entitled white Christian. Besides, the God whom I am describing is far bigger than this mere dust speck of a planet and all of our history of political and ideological oppression by white people over people of color. You may think you are moderate but you are a right wing entitled white Christian. And I'm gonna preach a bit, so if you don't believe in freedom of speech, sue me. Or don't listen. I never listen to that demon deceived Richard Carrier either. But all anger aside, I still respect you, Theodoric. You are unafraid, to be honest, and you wear your balls on your sleeve. keep being critical of me...I need humility.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
There is no god, never was, never will be. If there were there would be evidence and the laws of science would not stand. There you go, writing the laws of evidence as if you define reality yourself. Did it ever occur to you that there may be a reason that there is no evidence that God Himself allowed happening for precisely the reason of testing the human heart? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Did it ever occur to you that there may be a reason that there is no evidence that God Himself allowed happening for precisely the reason of testing the human heart? Not when those who, through no fault of their own, fail the test and suffer an eternity of torture at the hands of the proctor. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
We have no evidence that they suffer for eternity. They could well be pardoned for all we know. The God I worship is not petty and vindicative...He has no need to enforce the rules He supposedly made...He is quite able to wipe them off the books.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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