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Topic: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
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Dredge
Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 916 of 1385 (852387)
05-09-2019 7:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 889 by AZPaul3 05-08-2019 7:57 PM
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Re: Progressive Creation
NWRT
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Dredge
Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 917 of 1385 (852388)
05-09-2019 7:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 894 by JonF 05-08-2019 8:13 PM
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Re: Progressive Creation
JonF writes: By definition the gaps are where evolution isn't.
I totally agree. The gaps are where aliens performed genetic engineering to produce a novel organism(s).
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Dredge
Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: Progressive Creation
Tanypteryx writes: So? I'm still not seeing the connection.
I still don't see any connection either - the gaps from sponges/jelly-fish/worms to fish is best scientifically explained by aliens performing genetic engineering. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge
Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 919 of 1385 (852390)
05-09-2019 7:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 900 by edge 05-08-2019 8:26 PM
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Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
edge writes: I think you mean that the intellectually laziest explanation is genetic engineering by aliens.
Not quite - my "aliens did it" theory is an example of sublime science produced by the mind of a deadset genius. Do you realize that many scientists thought Einstein was babbling when he first aired his theories? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 9.7
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Message 920 of 1385 (852393)
05-09-2019 7:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 919 by Dredge 05-09-2019 7:44 PM
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Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
Dredge writes: Do you realize that many scientists thought Einstein was babbling when he first aired his theories? Name one. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge
Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 921 of 1385 (852394)
05-09-2019 7:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 908 by vimesey 05-09-2019 11:50 AM
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Re: Progressive Creation - no predictive ability - take 2
vimesey writes: It was Slartibartfast pissing around after he got bored with fjords ;-)
He should have stuck to designing coastlines, which he had a real talent for - his fjords were pretty ordinary, if you ask me.
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edge
Member (Idle past 1960 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: 01-09-2002
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Message 922 of 1385 (852395)
05-09-2019 7:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 919 by Dredge 05-09-2019 7:44 PM
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Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
Not quite - my "aliens did it" theory is an example of sublime science produced by the mind of a deadest genius.
"Deadest", perhaps ...
Do you realize that many scientists thought Einstein was babbling when he first aired his theories?
I trust you are not comparing yourself to Einstein. And did you realize that people laughed at Bozo when they first thought he was a clown? Oh, wait ...
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 9.7
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Message 923 of 1385 (852396)
05-09-2019 8:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 918 by Dredge 05-09-2019 7:38 PM
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Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes: So? I'm still not seeing the connection.
I still don't see any connection either - the gaps from sponges/jelly-fish/worms to fish is best scientifically explained by aliens performing genetic engineering. Genetic engineering of what? Are you saying you think sponges and jellyfish and worms are ancestors of fish? And please do scientifically explain aliens performing genetic engineering. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge
Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 924 of 1385 (852397)
05-09-2019 8:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 913 by edge 05-09-2019 7:25 PM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
edge writes: you certainly haven't come up with even the remotest evidence for alien genetic engineers.
My evidence is the same as your evidence that life on earth evolved from a microbe - the fossil record. Don't blame me for your lack of scientific understanding.
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Dredge
Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 925 of 1385 (852399)
05-09-2019 8:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 922 by edge 05-09-2019 7:54 PM
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Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
edge writes: "Deadest", perhaps ..
"deadset", actually. I've corrected it.
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edge
Member (Idle past 1960 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: 01-09-2002
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Message 926 of 1385 (852401)
05-09-2019 8:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 924 by Dredge 05-09-2019 8:01 PM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
My evidence is the same as your evidence that life on earth evolved from a microbe - the fossil record. Don't blame me for your lack of scientific understanding.
So you agree that it is a sensible progression from colonial bacteria to soft metazoans of the Ediacaran and then to Cambrian fauna? And don't blame me for your complete lack of a mechanism.
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edge
Member (Idle past 1960 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: 01-09-2002
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Message 927 of 1385 (852402)
05-09-2019 8:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 925 by Dredge 05-09-2019 8:08 PM
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Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
"deadset", actually. I've corrected it.
I stand by my post.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 928 of 1385 (852403)
05-09-2019 8:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 916 by Dredge 05-09-2019 7:30 PM
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Re: Progressive Creation
So's your mother. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 929 of 1385 (852411)
05-10-2019 9:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 917 by Dredge 05-09-2019 7:35 PM
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Re: Progressive Creation
So your "evolution of the gaps" was just trolli. Those gaps keep shrinking.
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Stile
Member (Idle past 298 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: 12-02-2004
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Message 930 of 1385 (852412)
05-10-2019 9:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 910 by Dredge 05-09-2019 7:07 PM
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Dredge writes: Explain why it's necessary to accept that all life on earth shares a common ancestor in order to understand antibiotic resistance. Okay. I will copy and paste my answer for you again:
quote: Message 298 Except, of course, that if the understanding of antibiotic resistance was not the way it is - then the concept of UCA would be incorrect - there would be no evidence supporting it. Which, to rational people, implies that such ideas, theories and practical applications are inherently linked and should not be separated in attempts to make a silly fool of yourself. But sure, buddy - you do you.
Message 357 It's more linked in the other direction: If anyone could show there is no such thing as evolving from a common ancestor... all our ideas on how to apply biology would be turned on it's head.
Message 447 Without the concept of UCA - their would be no point in creating medicine antibiotic resistance the way we do it. Since we do have the concept of UCA - it helps guide the creation of new medicines antibiotic resistances in helpful directions. That is, if UCA was not applicable - those creating medicine would be using some other idea as a guide, or we would not have 'new medicine antibiotic resistance' at all.
I hope you are able to find it this time.
Dredge writes: It's easy to make a stupid, baseless claim; it's not so easy to back it up with a sane explanation or evidence . but have a go. Sane explanation and evidence, again:
quote: Medicine Schematic representation of how antibiotic resistance evolves via natural selection. The top section represents a population of bacteria before exposure to an antibiotic. The middle section shows the population directly after exposure, the phase in which selection took place. The last section shows the distribution of resistance in a new generation of bacteria. The legend indicates the resistance levels of individuals. Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony. Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders.[6] For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves.[7] This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor.[8] Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.[9]
Proof, again:
quote: Proof: You are unable to identify a single YEC who doesn't have the idea of UCA incorporated in their research who is not "useless" in developing drugs and vaccines (medicine and/or antibiotic resistance.)
Why do you think asking the same questions over and over should be given different answers? I will explicitly tell you now: As long as you ask the same question over and over, I only have to answer it in the same way over and over. Cut and pasting is easy. Using slightly different words to ask the exact same question doesn't change anything. Have fun!
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