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Dredge Member (Idle past 142 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
JonF writes:
Don't forget, Evolution of the gaps.
God of the gaps. Aliens of the gaps. As we learn more the gaps get smaller no matter what you're trying to stuff in them.
Where are the fossils that demonstrate the evolution of insects? Where are the transitionals between the Ediacaran fossils and animal fossils of the Cambrian. Or the links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Occam's Razor is about the entities IN the explanation. It says nothing about the value of the explanation itself. Mr. Occan is both right and wrong:"right" because all explanations for the fossil record are "unnecessary". Hippopotamus.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Or the links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish? Why do you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8717 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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No, you don't get to besmirch Dr. Mller like that.
He's one of the good guys pushing the TOE in more detailed and technical directions, not dismantling it. Your misrepresentation of his work is disingenuous, reprehensible, disgusting, but, expected from such a small mind.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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edge Member (Idle past 2033 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
We know there is no known fossil evidence for evolution from E to C. Your evolution model relies on evidence that doesn't exist.
Untrue. We know that there were even pre-Ediacaran fossils that were even simpler and we know that some species in the Ediacaran have features that we find in Cambrian fauna. The Ediacaran fossils are almost certainly precursors to the Cambrian. That you cannot connect the dots is immaterial.
The huge jump from E to C is what the scientific mind would expect if aliens performed feats of genetic engineering.
Fine. Show us your evidence for alien genetic engineers. Talk about a huge gap in knowledge ...
I haven't tested it - to test is to confirm - I can't test/confirm my most excellent theory.
Well, let us know how it goes over the next century. Evolution is tested virtually every day now for longer than that.
The fossil record is my primary evidence for the aliens - the best scientific explanation for the history of life as revealed in the rocks is genetic engineering performed by aliens. Furthermore, science cannot rule out the existence of intelligent life from another planet.
I await your independent evidence.
And let's not forget the secondary forms of evidence that supports the existence of aliens - crop circles, abductions, UFO sightings, etc.
And let's not forget that I called Poe on you the other day.
Too easy - the mechanism is genetic engineering.
Fine, show me the facility and the operator. Those would be part of your mechanism.
The lack of evidence of evolutionary ancestors of animals.
You mean other than the orderly progression of life over geological time, yes?
1. One lucky find is not statistically significant.
It wasn't luck. It took a lot of hard work and persistence. What have you done?
2. That lucky find can also be explained by my "aliens did it" theory.
And your posts can be explained by my Poe theory.
Big words frighten me.
Evidently.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 142 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
Because my understanding of what existed before fish is basically sponges, worms and jelly-fish - ie, invertebrates. Why do you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 2033 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
What you have for the reptile jaw-mammalian inner-ear is a rehashed version of the nineteenth-century superstition of spontaneous generation - Darwinian evolution.
Whut? Is this some kind of simple evasion? Please explain.
The best scientific explanation for reptile-mammal "evolution" is genetic engineering performed by aliens.
Yes, we understood you the first twenty times you said this.
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edge Member (Idle past 2033 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Precisely when insects appeared in the fossil record is irrelevant - the point is there is no fossil evidence of any evolutionary ancestors of insects.
It is relevant in determining that you have no idea what you are talking about.
1. You criticise me for relying on "the opinions of others", then you supply an opinion from Wiki to back up your own argument!
No, I criticize you for relying on invalid opinions. If you think Wiki is wrong, you might tell us why.
The blatant hypocrisy is hilarious!
Just remember we are not laughing with you, we are laughing at you.
2. So the opinion of the nobodies at Wiki carries more weight than a world-renown palaeontologist with three insects named after him?
No, it carries more weight than a scientifically illiterate poster who has no background in research.
More hilarity!
Yes, you are a funny guy. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 495 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
False dichotomy. Lack of understanding or evidence does not invalidate what we know.
By definition the gaps are where evolution isn't.
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edge Member (Idle past 2033 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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That would be a funny thing for an atheist to say - atheism means every living moment, every single thought, deed and emotion is pointless.
Off topic, but interesting since it comes from someone who relies on an outside agent to provide him a point for every living moment, every thought and every emotion.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes:
Because my understanding of what existed before fish is basically sponges, worms and jelly-fish - ie, invertebrates. Why do you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish? So? I'm still not seeing the connection.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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JonF Member (Idle past 495 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Um, no. I'm not an atheist but I know why atheists do not find everything pointless. The answer begins with "ev" and ends with "on".
You wrote "Null and void. A scientific theory doesn't need a practical application to be accepted as valid." So whether or not the concept of the LUCA has practical application is irrelevant. As is this entire thread.
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edge Member (Idle past 2033 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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No, you don't get to besmirch Dr. Mller like that.
This is a disturbing trend that seems to be growing. Somehow, learning about evolution is undermining evolution.
He's one of the good guys pushing the TOE in more detailed and technical directions, not dismantling it. Your misrepresentation of his work is disingenuous, reprehensible, disgusting, but, expected from such a small mind.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8717 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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So whether or not the concept of the LUCA has practical application is irrelevant. As is this entire thread.
Oh, I don't know about that. I'm enjoying this thread. This kid's hilarious. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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edge Member (Idle past 2033 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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The best scientific explanation for the appearance of a new genus is genetic engineering performed by aliens.
I think you mean that the intellectually laziest explanation is genetic engineering by aliens. You can make up whatever you want, yes? You aren't even constrained by a Bible.
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