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Faith 
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Message 1756 of 5796 (852205)
05-08-2019 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1755 by PaulK
05-08-2019 12:55 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
They may not be Ltfsts but they are certainly Anti-Trumpers. I'd lke to see somebody try to make an issue of obstruction which Mueller clearly tried to provoke with the second part of his report. That part reflects nothing of a true investigative report but only a collection of innuendoes that have no legal value whatever since Trump didn't obstruct anything and didn't DO anything that COULD be obstructive anyway. It's all the usual partisan empty accusation with no substance to it. A version of Fke Nws.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1757 of 5796 (852206)
05-08-2019 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1754 by Stile
05-08-2019 12:48 PM


Re: This guy claims he is not a racist too
Christianity when genuine is usually not just "handed down," it has to be personally learned and embraced. Anyone who says he's a Christian and his beliefs were handed down is not really a CHristian.

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PaulK
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Message 1758 of 5796 (852207)
05-08-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1756 by Faith
05-08-2019 1:02 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
quote:
They may not be Ltfsts but they are certainly Anti-Trumpers.
Or just respecters or the law.
quote:
I'd lke to see somebody try to make an issue of obstruction which Mueller clearly tried to provoke with the second part of his report. That part reflects nothing of a true investigative report but only a collection of innuendoes that have no legal value whatever since Trump didn't obstruct anything and didn't DO anything that COULD be obstructive anyway.
In some cases he avoided obstruction only because his staff refused to follow his orders.
And no, there is nothing clear about your assertions about the Mueller report - other than your desire to whitewash Trump.
quote:
It's all the usual partisan empty accusation with no substance to it. A version of Fke Nws.
In other words, truths you want suppressed.

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ringo
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Message 1759 of 5796 (852208)
05-08-2019 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1752 by Faith
05-08-2019 12:40 PM


Re: This guy claims he is not a racist too
Faith writes:
There is nothing in the Bible that justifies an objection to interracial marriage.
The Bible can certainly be used to object to interracial marriage. The curse of Ham is an obvious example. And ironically, reproducing "after their own kind" has been used for the same objection. Deuteronomy warns against inter-ethnic marriage, though some people claim that that means only inter-religious marriage.
The Bible can be (mis)used to justify all kinds of things. You yourself are an example of that.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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JonF
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Message 1760 of 5796 (852209)
05-08-2019 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1756 by Faith
05-08-2019 1:02 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
Calling it fake news doesn't affect reality.
Were Trump not president he'd be under multiple indictments for obstruction. E.g. ordering McGahn to fire Mueller, twice, without justification.

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Stile
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Message 1761 of 5796 (852210)
05-08-2019 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1757 by Faith
05-08-2019 1:05 PM


Re: This guy claims he is not a racist too
Faith writes:
Anyone who says he's a Christian and his beliefs were handed down is not really a Christian.
Why such disdain for something being 'handed down?'
Almost all knowledge is handed down.
Anything where one person is teaching another... or someone writes it down so others can read/learn about it later... is all "handing down" knowledge.
Happens in science all the time.
How else can religious beliefs be passed on to others?
Religious visions from God?
1. If this is possible, why do all claims always show the person having knowledge "handed down" to them beforehand anyway? (Going to church, being aware of the religion through previous experience...)
2. Let me know when you can show this actually happens and not just claim that it does...

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Theodoric
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Message 1762 of 5796 (852211)
05-08-2019 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1753 by Faith
05-08-2019 12:41 PM


http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/...rslavesexualabuse.pdf
The Loathsome Den- Sexual Assault on the Plantation: #MeToo - President Lincoln's Cottage | A Home for Brave Ideas
Start there. Research rape in slavery and research breaking the buck.
Another good source is
Project MUSE - The Sexual Abuse of Black Men under American Slavery
Alas, it is not available for general public. I have wrote the author to try to get full text.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Aussie
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Message 1763 of 5796 (852212)
05-08-2019 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1706 by Phat
05-07-2019 10:01 AM


Re: A So-Called Christian Becomes A Tool Of Satan
Your atrocious behavior is doing more to discredit, disgrace, and demean Christianity than anything you profess to believe...
In the name of Jesus, and by the authority of His shed blood I rebuke you evil spirits that have dared render our member Faith so ineffective and such a tool of Satan...
Hi Phat,
You say that Faith discredits and demeans Christianity, and then you proceed to publicly cast invisible monsters out her. Seriously, you guys have no sense of irony or real self-reflection.
Faith is ignorant, perhaps beyond help at this point, and an asshole. Plain and simple. She doesn't need help from invisible monsters. If you have to pray, you should ask for discernment. It helps us distinguish between things that are real, and things that are not.
Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Percy
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Message 1764 of 5796 (852213)
05-08-2019 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1758 by PaulK
05-08-2019 1:09 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
PaulK writes:
In some cases he avoided obstruction only because his staff refused to follow his orders.
If I've properly understood what's been written about chargeable obstruction, attempting to obstruct is all that's required, succeeding isn't. For example, this is from How to get away with obstructing justice:
quote:
Legally, an attempt at obstruction of justice is still a crime, even if it fails.
You reply to Faith:
And no, there is nothing clear about your assertions about the Mueller report - other than your desire to whitewash Trump.
quote:
It's all the usual partisan empty accusation with no substance to it. A version of Fake News.
In other words, truths you want suppressed.
The questions I'd ask are, if Trump has done nothing wrong, why is he acting to withhold information from Congress? If he honestly believes the Mueller report is (paraphrasing) "Complete exoneration, no collusion, no obstruction," then why is he against Congress seeing the full report?
--Percy

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Aussie
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Message 1765 of 5796 (852214)
05-08-2019 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1725 by Faith
05-07-2019 2:36 PM


Re: Suggestion for a reasonable punishment
"******* -->*******" is not a swear word.
Hi Faith,
What are you trying to say here? Are you trying to convey meaning at all? Have you just given up trying to make sense? You might as well be speaking in tongues here.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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PaulK
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Message 1766 of 5796 (852215)
05-08-2019 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1764 by Percy
05-08-2019 1:47 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
Probably there are other acts they want to cover up. We know that material that related to other offences was passed on to the relevant authorities. We know that material was redacted. We know that Trump and his supporters would want that kept as quiet as possible.
There might be more, but I don’t think there is good reason to assume that there is.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1767 of 5796 (852216)
05-08-2019 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1756 by Faith
05-08-2019 1:02 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
Faith writes:
They may not be Ltfsts but they are certainly Anti-Trumpers.
You don't fucking know that. They are certainly anti-criminal.
The lengths you have to go to to rationalize supporting the fucking Anti-Christ is amazing.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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ringo
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Message 1768 of 5796 (852217)
05-08-2019 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1767 by Tanypteryx
05-08-2019 2:04 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
Tanypteryx writes:
The lengths you have to go to to rationalize supporting the fucking Anti-Christ is amazing.
Bizarrely, it's a fulfillment of prophecy.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Theodoric
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Message 1769 of 5796 (852218)
05-08-2019 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1767 by Tanypteryx
05-08-2019 2:04 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
The same reason anti-Semite evangelicals support Israel. They think they are hastening the return of that jesus dude. Armageddon is something they get all hard and wet about because they know that they are one of the just that will get to go to their heaven fantasy.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1770 of 5796 (852219)
05-08-2019 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1769 by Theodoric
05-08-2019 2:17 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
I wish I could be there to see the looks on their faces when they discover they've been rejected.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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