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Stile
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Message 1516 of 5796 (851646)
04-30-2019 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1509 by Faith
04-29-2019 8:45 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Faith writes:
It's really amazing how none of you can tell the truth about ANYTHING. Something has hold of your heads that twists everything. Well, that may be good for us since you misread everything including the prospects for the next election, just as you did the prospects for the 2016 election. So keep it up, stay stupid.
Let's paint a picture.
We have an entire group of calm, respectful people.
Then one person comes careening in, screaming and yelling about random ideas that don't even exist, coherent sentences are not a concern, and displays an inability to address anyone without including an insult.
If we're going to describe one of these two sides as 'having everything twisted in their heads' I think it's very clear to everyone who it is without even needing to actually say it.
When words do not match reality, even a child understands that something wrong is going on.
Your claims fall flat.
As such useless drivel tends to do.

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ringo
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Message 1517 of 5796 (851656)
04-30-2019 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1503 by Faith
04-29-2019 2:33 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Faith writes:
YOU BET. I HATE LEFTISTS WITH A PASSION, I HATE LYING ANTI-TRUMPERS WHO MAKE UP CRAP AND HAVEN'T AN IOTA OF INTEGRITY. YES I HATE HATE HATE ALL OF THAT, I HATE THE CURRENT POLITICAL SCENE WITH A PASSION, THE FAKE NEWS THAT DOMINATES WHAT USED TO BE A FREE PRESS BUT NOW IS A MOUTHPIECE FOR COMMUNISM AND THE HATE-TRUMPERS. THE LEFT IS GOING TO DESTROY AMERICA IF GOD DOESN'T GIVE US A MIRACLE, AND GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THE NATION WITH ALL THIS EVIL STUFF I'M NOT SURE HE WANTS TO.
quote:
1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
quote:
1 John 2:11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
quote:
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
quote:
1 John 4:20-21 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 1518 of 5796 (851657)
04-30-2019 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1517 by ringo
04-30-2019 11:41 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Jacob I have loved but Esau I have hated: God.
I hate all those who hate You: David the King
I have hated those who do wickedly: David the King
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 1519 of 5796 (851658)
04-30-2019 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1518 by Faith
04-30-2019 11:44 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Faith writes:
Jacob I have loved but Esau I have hated: God.
quote:
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Maybe God is allowed to hate but you are not.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 1520 of 5796 (851659)
04-30-2019 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1519 by ringo
04-30-2019 11:48 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
David hated evil people.
This has nothing to do with casting stones. Idiot.

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ringo
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Message 1521 of 5796 (851661)
04-30-2019 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1520 by Faith
04-30-2019 11:51 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Faith writes:
David hated evil people.
He was an adulterer and a murderer, hardly a role model.
Faith writes:
nothing to do with casting stones.
Of course it is. The obvious implication is that only those who are without sin are permitted to be self-righteous.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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JonF
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Message 1522 of 5796 (851675)
04-30-2019 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1518 by Faith
04-30-2019 11:44 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
I note you reject Christianity.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1523 of 5796 (851676)
04-30-2019 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1503 by Faith
04-29-2019 2:33 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Faith writes:
YOU BET. I HATE LEFTISTS WITH A PASSION, I HATE LYING ANTI-TRUMPERS WHO MAKE UP CRAP AND HAVEN'T AN IOTA OF INTEGRITY. YES I HATE HATE HATE ALL OF THAT, I HATE THE CURRENT POLITICAL SCENE WITH A PASSION, THE FAKE NEWS THAT DOMINATES WHAT USED TO BE A FREE PRESS BUT NOW IS A MOUTHPIECE FOR COMMUNISM AND THE HATE-TRUMPERS. THE LEFT IS GOING TO DESTROY AMERICA IF GOD DOESN'T GIVE US A MIRACLE, AND GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THE NATION WITH ALL THIS EVIL STUFF I'M NOT SURE HE WANTS TO.
So, I guess you know what the "Final Solution" should be for all the people you hate...

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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herebedragons
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Message 1524 of 5796 (851678)
04-30-2019 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1518 by Faith
04-30-2019 11:44 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Clearly you aren't really concerned with what the Bible says, but with what you want it to say in order to justify your own opinions, but I'll try anyway...
Matthew 5:43-48 Common English Bible (CEB)
Law of love
43 “You have heard that it was said, You must love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy. 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who harass you 45 so that you will be acting as children of your Father who is in heaven. He makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good and sends rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love only those who love you, what reward do you have? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing? Don’t even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore, just as your heavenly Father is complete in showing love to everyone, so also you must be complete.
Obviously there are differences in opinion about what is right for this country, what our leadership should be like, and what direction this country should be going. However, none of these differences give you the righteous authority to hate your fellow Americans or your fellow human beings. To claim God is on the side of your hatred is nothing less than taking the Lord's name in vain.
You are right about one thing... this country has never been more polarized (at least since the Civil War), but it's not hatred and anger that is going to bring us together. You being such a righteous, holy person should realize that.
HBD
Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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marc9000
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Message 1525 of 5796 (851685)
04-30-2019 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1516 by Stile
04-30-2019 8:55 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Let's paint a picture.
We have an entire group of calm, respectful people.
Here are 4 calm, respectful responses to Faith;
Theodoric writes:
More evidence you are just a troll.
JonF writes:
Your guess is, as usual, bullshit.
Theodoric writes:
Classic Liar for Jesus and troll.
Tanypteryx writes:
So, I see you are still a feckless cunt and a fucking asshole.
Your picture is painted about as well as every picture liberals paint.

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marc9000
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Message 1526 of 5796 (851686)
04-30-2019 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1524 by herebedragons
04-30-2019 2:37 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Obviously there are differences in opinion about what is right for this country, what our leadership should be like, and what direction this country should be going. However, none of these differences give you the righteous authority to hate your fellow Americans or your fellow human beings. To claim God is on the side of your hatred is nothing less than taking the Lord's name in vain.
You are right about one thing... this country has never been more polarized (at least since the Civil War), but it's not hatred and anger that is going to bring us together. You being such a righteous, holy person should realize that.
So it's okay for the left to hate, but the right can't "fight fire with fire" when it sees the need? Hate in the U.S. has been in high gear since Nov. 8th 2016, and it hasn't come from the right.

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JonF
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Message 1527 of 5796 (851687)
04-30-2019 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1526 by marc9000
04-30-2019 7:14 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Hate's certainly come from Faith. She's explicitly embraced her hate more than once.
Alas, there apparently are millions like her.
Anyone is allowed to hate, no matter how irrational. At least Faith is honest enough to admit she hates so many people because of what they are or she thinks they've done. "He started it" was pathetic in first grade and so much more so for adults.

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marc9000
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Message 1528 of 5796 (851688)
04-30-2019 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1464 by PaulK
04-28-2019 2:55 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
From an article cited in another thread.
quote:
"When asked by reporters on Friday if he stood by the comments, Trump responded: “I’ve answered that question and if you look at what I said you will see that that question was answered perfectly, and I was talking about people that went [to the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally] because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great [Confederate] general.”
So racists become “very fine people” if they stand up for the statue of a racist who fought for slavery. Seems like the “perfect” answer - to support what we’ve been saying.
This is very telling about today's Democrat party. Do you know what Lee's views were on slavery?
quote:
Lee held slavery to be an evil institution
and;
quote:
Lee in his well-known analysis of slavery from an 1856 letter called it a moral and political evil.
Robert E. Lee - Wikipedia
Let me guess, you don't care. All the civil war was, was a fight between those who loved slavery and those who disagreed with it, and that's the end of it as far as you're concerned, right?
The war was much more complex than that. To pretend it wasn't, to pretend that you know what the mindset of people was back in those days is typical of the knee-jerk thinking that is increasingly going on with liberals. Lee seems to have believed that if slavery was slowly phased out by the free will of the largely Christian mindset of those days, and increasing technology in the uses of steel and machines, that the transition away from it could be much smoother than new laws passed and ending it abruptly. He knew that many of the suddenly freed slaves wouldn't know what to do with themselves. That problem was very clear in the decades following the war, and the problem isn't completely gone today.
It's not fair to say that Lee was ~one of~ the most prominent, respected people involved in the southern cause. He was THE MOST prominent respectful person of the south in that war. You might want to check out his many accomplishments in the above Wikipedia link. My elementary school history book portrayed him as a decent man, and I even happen to have a close-by, personal reference to him. And that reference agrees perfectly with the picture most good history books paint of him. My great-grandfather was a boy in Maryland during that war, his father was a staunch Union supporter, he was a guide for one of the union armies. Yet here is what my great-grandfather said about Lee;
quote:
"Gen. Lee was at Austin Poffenbarger's house where he made his headquarters. Austin and my father were friends and neighbors. Us boys wanted to see what Gen. Lee looked like, so we went over there. That's another time I won't ever forget.
"Gen. Lee came out in the yard to talk to us. I thought then that I had never seen such a handsome man and I'm sure I haven't since; at least not one who made the impression on me that Lee did.
"The general talked to us kindly, asked us about our schools and our farms and warned us to keep out of danger. It didn't make any difference to us boys whether our fathers were Unionists or Confederates; Gen. Lee was a hero to us.
My great-grandfather died before I was born, but Message 727 (another thread from awhile back) explains where I got this from. If there'd have been a black boy in that group, do you think Lee would have said the same thing? That he wouldn't have wanted to see a 10 year old black boy killed in crossfire any more than he would have wanted it to happen to one of those white boys? Just how hate-filled and distorted is your view of him?
If you don't care about any of this, if you just close your eyes and hold your ears and call him a racist, then what you're doing is calling pretty much half of the U.S. racist, as it was 155 / 160 years ago. Does that mean the ENTIRE U.S. was racist in 1820, or 1830? As Trump referred in the video Faith put up a few dozen messages back, does that mean George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were racists too, since they owned slaves?
Trump and other Republicans often claim how much they love and respect their country. But when liberals claim they do as well, it just doesn't go along with the disrespect they show for it's history and it's prominent historical figures.
The point of all this? There really were "fine people" in Charlottesville defending the statue, and Trump really wasn't a racist by saying it.

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marc9000
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Message 1529 of 5796 (851689)
04-30-2019 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1527 by JonF
04-30-2019 7:54 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
At least Faith is honest enough to admit she hates so many people
And it would be really nice if the 12 haters against her here were that honest.

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herebedragons
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Message 1530 of 5796 (851692)
04-30-2019 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1526 by marc9000
04-30-2019 7:14 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
So it's okay for the left to hate, but the right can't "fight fire with fire" when it sees the need?
I don't care what "side" they are on. If they claim to be TRUE Christians then they have no business spewing hate - regardless of their political views. If those who claim to be atheists are hating, I can't very well quote scripture to reprimand them can I? But if you associate yourself with Christ, then you should be held to a higher standard (or at least to the standard that Christ taught).
I find myself holding views that are more and more considered liberal, such as protection of the environment, social justice, gun control, health care available for all, and I place a high value on education and individual freedoms. I am not filled with hate, but I am increasingly seeing "conservative values" as very much un-Christian.
And yes, I think Trump is an absolutely terrible president and human being and he will certainly not be receiving my vote in 2020... but that's not hate. It's standing up for what I believe is right.
Hate in the U.S. has been in high gear since Nov. 8th 2016, and it hasn't come from the right.
I think you are confused as to what constitutes left and right.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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