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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What I would expect you to have trouble with is an idea that completely contradicts yours.
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edge Member (Idle past 1955 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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What I would expect you to have trouble with is an idea that completely contradicts yours.
Well, that's false expectation. I do not have any problem with hare-brained, unsupported ideas that contradict my own. They are feeble and will die a natural death. On the other hand, I do not have a problem with valid ideas that contradict mine either. I can accept progress and do not live in a permanent intellectual box defined by religious myth. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So let me see if I can be clearer:
What I would expect you to have trouble with is an idea that proves the ToE is false and completely contradicts the notion of time periods in Geology. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
If it were well supported by evidence, no problem.
Your ideas don't fit that classification, no matter how often you claim to have evidence. The devil is in the details.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's false.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Faith writes: What I would expect you to have trouble with is an idea that proves the ToE is false and completely contradicts the notion of time periods in Geology. After all this time, you still don't get it. If something was discovered that completely contradicted the ToE and/or geological time periods it would be enormously exciting to all scientists. Scientists *want* to prove stuff wrong, it would make their careers. It would open up massive new areas of research. Unfortunately though the evidence supporting the theories is now so overwhelming that it is vanishingly unlikely that anything material will be found to change the core theories - though they will almost certainly be modified. Science is not immutable, it's not a religious belief. That seems difficult for you guys to understand no matter what we say.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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edge Member (Idle past 1955 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
So let me see if I can be clearer:
Nonsense. If there were a better explanation of all the evidence I would have no problem accepting a contradictory idea.What I would expect you to have trouble with is an idea that proves the ToE is false and completely contradicts the notion of time periods in Geology. Your telling me that something is better does not meet that requirement.
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JonF Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Content-free as usual.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1654 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So let me see if I can be clearer: What I would expect you to have trouble with is an idea that proves the ToE is false and completely contradicts the notion of time periods in Geology. Curiously, ideas are spectacularly inadequate at disproving scientific theories. What you need (and are lacking) are facts or conclusions based on objective empirical evidence. Preordaining that trilobites are one kind, for instance, ignores the facts and objective empirical evidence. A "practical use for Universal Common Ancestor" is that it shows that "kinds" are completely inadequate in explaining the full diversity of life, and that people shouldn't waste their (and other people's) time on making them up. Time better spent learning actual science. Such fun. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You haven't answeted my question: How is it even possible for there to be a "barrier" in the genome when the DNA of every species is made from the same building blocks. What is it exactly that prevents exchanging one block for another? What prevents editing "cat" to "dog"? I've explained it many times.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've defined it functionally many times as exemplified by how breeds of, say, dogs, run out of variability the closer they get to being purebred. But you also can't find alleles/genes in the genome of a species for features outside the species: Is there an allele for a flat black chimp nose in the human genome?
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That doesn't answer the question. What is the barrier? I've defined it functionally many times as exemplified by how breeds of, say, dogs, run out of variability the closer they get to being purebred.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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JonF Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Yes.
They are expressed differently in humans and chimps, but they are the same genes.
quote: Scientists home in on origin of human, chimpanzee facial differences | News Center | Stanford Medicine
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Sincerely, M'Lady, a gentle suggestion.
This "Inactive Member" stuff is your emotional flag of disapproval at the way you perceive your treatment in this community. It is not a fact, or true, or whatever term you care to use. It is blatantly false. Everyone here knows you are not inactive. Hell, even the lurkers know you are not inactive. Why persist in this falsehood? Is reality so foreign to you even this status designation needs to be a lie? If it makes you emotionally comfortable I suppose I have to accept that, but, given your penchant to believe and voice ... um ... contrary opinions, false/incomplete info, bogus processes ... this "Inactive Member" stuff is not doing your reputation any favors. It is just another lie. You don't need that. I suggest you come back to the fold officially, publicly, which in reality you never left, and stop with this most obvious falsehood.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Stile Member (Idle past 293 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Dredge writes: More nonsense. Your logic fails - it's not necessary to accept that "all life is connected" in order to accept that "life evolves from previous life". For example, one can breed a sheep dog from a wolf without accepting that all life shares a common ancestor (or even being aware of such a concept). Let me get this straight. You're saying you "don't have to accept that life comes from a common ancestor" by breeding a sheep dog from a wolf - proving that the sheep dog has a wolf as a common ancestor? Sure, buddy - whatever you say.Keep plugging those ears and screaming you don't believe. No, really - it's working. Keep it up.
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