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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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We are negotiating again in Colorado for our next contract.
King Soopers, Union Remain a Long Way Apart on New Labor Deal and so far the process is deadlocked. I have attended most of the meetings and am watching the process play out. We are advocating fair and balanced proposals for all of the employees...not just the senior ones. Our proposals seem reasonable, and given that the corporations got their major tax cut from Trump, one would think that they could help take care of the rest of us. Stay tuned.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I posted a message to our local's Facebook page to better explain the negotiating process to everyone.
quote:Grocery workers contract dispute Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile |
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Im as involved as a store steward can be. Here is the latest from Colorado.
So basically we have two chains of grocers in Colorado who are under UFCW Local 7. There are two separate contracts---one for Safeway and one for the larger chain, King Soopers. They are sister contracts in that they have basically the same language yet with a few exceptions. Kings has 12000 employees, most of them newer....(hired after 2005). We have far less...due to the fact that Safeway (now Safeway/Albertsons after the merger a few years ago) closed 35 stores and consolidated into fewer stronger stores. They canceled their contract extension and King Soopers employees are voting Thur and Fri (today) to see how many want to accept the contract proposal and how many want to strike. Safeway still has a contract extension and no new negotiations scheduled yet. We are waiting to see the outcome of this vote from rival (yet union brother) chain. Stay tuned...I'm in the thick of information regarding this. I am earning my stripes as a steward. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The larger rival chain (King Soopers) had a vote and the vote to reject the contract offer that I showed here a few posts back and authorize a strike was an overwhelming 92%. My grocery store (Safeway) is still under a contract extension. We likely will get hit by a flood of business....perhaps overwhelmed. Now, I'm not sure what will happen and I have some more questions directed towards the union higher-ups. I told my store director the same thing that I told my co-workers. I believe that my store is unified should we need to be.
Not sure what happens next. Stay tuned.
King Soopers grocery workers vote to authorize strike Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Good point. I had to do some digging.
Labor Unions: Liberal vs Conservative- WorthingtonChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The King Soopers Contract was finally settled. The same 92% membership that voted to strike an earlier offer accepted the last offer cleanly and intentionally. Here is a letter from a member who attended the negotiatons:
quote: Now on to Safeway. Stay tuned. Edited by Phat, : spellcheckChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It is Sunday, April 7th. Negotiations are resuming for the 3rd day between the corporate negotiating team from Safeway/Albertsons and the Local 7 Labor Union.
The meeting starts at 1030 am. I plan on attending as a member and observer. The process is fascinating to watch. After attending the meeting for perhaps 3 hours, I plan on then going to work, as I am scheduled 330-midnite at my store. As the shop steward, it is my responsibility to convey information to the members employed at my store. Much as been discussed and put on paper. At this time, I cannot publically reveal the details, though I can say that we are now down to the brass tacks. Wages, Health Care, Seniority, and Pension. Our rival grocer (and sister contract in labor-speak) has settled. The vote is expected to be fully ratified before any news is released to the public. One strategy that I have seen involves private deals made between store management and certain employees. Total unity is, of course, preferable from the democratic point of view, but total freedom to choose individually and manage yourself without interference from "a liberal agenda" is the conservative comeback. One thing is for certain. I have done my homework and am more prepared to articulate key talking points to my members and to management as well. Being a shop steward can be grueling. I am not a Boss. Many biblical precepts are internalized by me as I deal with management.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Sunday was a good day for learning! Our meetings went smoothly and there was consensus and progress. At the end of the meeting, we had this:
So the next step will be a vote from all participating members. While we all have varied opinions regarding which way to vote, we are allowing the members to hear all sides of the discussion and how the consensus was arrived at. Stay tuned. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Some of them should have been mandated by the government decades ago. Specifically which ones?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I think its simply a ploy to reduce any subsequent liability. Here in Denver, Soopers used to have security who carried guns but they stopped that practice. Nobody can thus say in the event of an incident that the company provoked the escalated violence.
Safeway is even worse with security, often having no guards and allowing nearly $1500.00 a day of product to go out the door via theft. Evidently they have become fearful of lawsuits, little realizing that 1 out of 10 people steal and that word gets around on the street if you (as a business) are an easy mark. Personally I think it is cowardly and deplorable not to fight theft. God tells me to pray for these thieves, but if I had it my own fleshly way I would get security to prosecute most of them. People need to be taught to obey the laws of society rather than flaunting their addiction and hurting the jobs of others. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You would be amazed at what we see. We have "regular" shoplifters. They bring large bags into the store with them and fill them surreptitiously with the product before nonchalantly (often brazenly) walking out. They know that Safeway has decided not to hire security who will actively attempt to stop them nor will any cameras be monitored---beyond insurance against slip & fall liabilities.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I dream of zapping them with a tranquilizer dart!
Seriously though, I simply hate the justification I would imagine that they have for taking stuff. In my mind, it's personal. Once, one of our employees "caught" some guy in the act...he was leaving with his duffel bag stuffed full. He had dumped the load in the backseat of his car and was coming back in...empty bag in tow. When confronted, the man replied indignantly, "You are not God. What gives *you* the right to judge me?" Of course, the employee was only sitting outside on break...but this man had been spotted numerous times by many. Our own security warns us, though...that these people can sue the store for harassment if confronted. Nobody actually is allowed to stop them. I think its unfair to the max. I pray for God to correct this unfairness in society. My motto is this: If I can't get something free, then nobody else should get it either. Stealing is not only unbiblical...it breaks the unwritten rules. Its like cutting in the lunch line. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: Many of the worst ones are...but shoplifters can literally be anybody. There is no certain stereotype. One clue, however, is large bags or purses being carried into the store. This is how they are able to get us for such large amounts. It frustrates all of we employees, however...as we see money lost out the door as impacting our own hours. They're almost always drug addicts aren't they?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
...So is making people so poor that they feel they have to steal. Now don't turn this into some rallying cry of justification by the liberals. Thou shalt not steal. Love thy neighbor, don't demand stuff from him. They see my employer as a nameless faceless corporation and thus feel no remorse evening the social odds...whereas I and many other employees see it as ultimately taking from us. I will give spare change but I'll be damned if someone tries to pick my pocket.
Maybe the priority of the lunch line should be based on who's the hungriest. Distribution should always be willingly...never mandatorily. I realize that this is a social and political issue and I can empathize with the other side....I feel more akin to the business owners than to the homeless though God is changing my heart in this issue. Would you help some man who you just caught climbing out of your window with an armful of your stuff?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: keep in mind that while on the clock, I represent my employer and not myself. The other night an older homeless man came in, bought some item that was under ten dollars, and attempted to use a credit card. The card was declined, and I kept telling him not to enter it asking for cashback because it was getting denied. My intent was to get him to simply pay credit for the item without cashback. Only later as I was praying about things did the incident return to my consciousness, and I heard what I believe to be Gods's voice tell me that he(the man) didn't have any money but that he was trying to appear honorable rather than simply stealing and leaving the store. I felt convicted because every day I pray for Gods Spirit to protect us at work and to bless every person who enters the premises. As a Christian, I feel that praying for one's job is basically expected and automatic. According to Jesus, it's mandatory for you to be willing.ringo writes: I seriously doubt that God is telling these people that it's ok to steal. What would you do if you worked at such a place? I can't very well hand out spare change while I am on the clock since all of the spare change belongs to Safeway unless we are on break or lunch. Ask and ye shall receive. One time many years ago, the other major grocery chain in town, King Soopers, had a deal in their deli known as 10 cent hotdogs. Soon, the homeless were lining up for this benefit, but the company ultimately ceased the promotion because they didn't want long lines of hungry homeless people interfering with their business. Jesus may well want us all to be willing to give, but when on the clock, we render unto Caesar(Safeway) what is Caesars and to God (and others) what is Gods. Word gets around on the street, and if I were too generous people would soon flock to my register and count on me just like they did years ago with the ten cent hotdogs. What does this tell us?1) Render unto Caesar what is Caesars and unto God what is God's. 2) The poor you(we) shall always have with us. And I need to think about my duties at work, which includes watching the product and not wasting it. 3) It's not my store. God has given me a good job to help me pay my rent and expenses as I get older. I can't really count on social security nor any pension, so I am approaching crunchtime as to my remaining working years. As I watch the reality of how hard it is to survive on the streets, I realize that these people are not nameless nor faceless. I help some of them when I am driving ti work or if I see them outside on the street. (Now that I no longer gamble I have spare change just like you do) I won't chase or intimidate shoplifters, but I also won't turn a blind eye towards them. I owe Caesar that much.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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