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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well, they're less plausible than Bigfoot - but just as funny.
You always go with Leprechauns, dont you? Phat writes:
Sure. Why not? (Hint: talking snake.)
The tale was spun intentionally as folklore. Can you make the same case for any of the 66 books? Phat writes:
On the contrary, many of us take leprechauns just as seriously as we take your God.
Nobody takes Leprechauns seriously! Phat writes:
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. But YOU're the one who throws out the parts of the Bible that you don't like - i.e. you treat them like folklore.
You guys are trying now to convince the believers that they too are reading folklore. Phat writes:
Of course not. It's a false hope, like hoping you'll win the lottery. Do you really have an equivalent hope in human survival and science to ensure the survival of our species??And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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The topic of religion vs anti-religion debate "is a lot like a rocking chair... it gives you something to do, but it doesn't actually get you anywhere. Write that down." - Van Wilder
That's a flawed analogy. An activity doesn't have to "get you anywhere" to be worthwhile.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
False dichotomy. There could be a God who was not made up by humans and who has no desire whatsoever to communicate with us. That possibility and the possibility of no God at all are more evident than your gregarious God. Evidently, either God encourages us to philosophize and question His character ....or God was entirely made up by humans.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
We already have that function built in, as a result of our evolution as a social species. We don't need an external entity to motivate it, much less one that hides. The function of such a God would be (from our standpoint) as a conscience and highest noble character...the things we "should" do rather than the things we instinctually do. ABE: Should be a response to Message 403. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Perhaps the supposed "communion" with God is just a bad link. perhaps if "God" attributed posts to the proper authors, He would be less likely hiding.![]() Phat writes:
Not at all. Of course, all of the REAL options come before unevidenced ones - and YOUR God isn't even close to the top of the list of plausible gods.
You always make God the absolute last default option. Phat writes:
Some of us might be. I predict that 500 years from now some of us will still be smoking too. As to whether humans need God or not, the evidence will be if we are still trying to make Him up 500 years from now.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Doing the right things in the commandments is doing the right thing for our society and our species. Doing the wrong things for ourselves is a separate issue.
Which means that doing all the right things that are good for us, as well as obeying any commandments is just a pipe dream. Phat writes:
There is no Satan. He never was anything but a metaphor for our own imperfections - i.e. God's screw-up. You likely would have let satan hang out in heaven were you in charge rather than booting him out.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Or... it's a scam by shamans to set themselves up as intermediaries on our behalf.
IF we are responsible for our own actions, booting satan out of Heaven is a metaphor for not allowing compromise in our behavior. Phat writes:
It never said it was a one-time irrevocable decision either. To use a very obvious cliché, life isn't always back and white. The message always told us to choose this day whom we would serve. It offered us cigarettes and Salad. Blessing and cursing. It never suggested that we should allow both.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Of course you can call it fiction. A definition doesn't make something real. We have definitions of leprechauns, unicorns, etc., all of which you call fiction. But that's a definition of God, the uncreated, the uncaused cause. Or as scripture puts it, I AM that I AM. You can't just call it fiction, that's absurd.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Whether your definition of God is "traditional" or not has no bearing on whether or not he's fiction. But there's confusion about what God is, expressed at EvC very recently, so if we can't even give the traditional definition of God that will never get straightened out.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It isn't an "abusive" attitude. It's a realistic attitude. Traditions can be fiction. In fact, people like you who insist on the literal truth of your traditions often miss out on the real value of those traditions. What it has bearing on is the abusive attitude toward tradition....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You're the one who disrespects tradition by treating obvious fiction (hint: talking snake) as if it was yesterday's newspaper. Instead of learning something from it, you use it to line bird cages. It's an abusive attitude, aimed against an ancient tradition that used to be treated with respect....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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to jar, Phat writes:
Belief is always limited to what we don't know. If I understand what you have written previously, you would say that you believe yet do not know, which is honest but which limits the commitment of your belief.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
If God didn't have a beginning - i.e. if He always existed - why couldn't energy and matter? If energy and matter didn't have a beginning, they must have always existed.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That isn't what the Bible says. God Himself said that Adam and Eve became more like Him - i.e. they were improved. They could not have been created perfect. God created everything absolutely perfect, but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 728 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And every time you mention the "Fall", I'm going to point out that it's a lie. Every time you say God CREATED the misery I'm going to answer you about the Fall....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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