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Author Topic:   Bible Inerrancy stands against all objections
ringo
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Message 212 of 232 (848346)
02-03-2019 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Phat
02-03-2019 4:55 PM


Re: The Road Not Taken
Phat writes:
It is not evident to me because you yourself do not believe it.
Stop.
What I believe is completely irrelevant. What does the Bible SAY? Does it say, "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us," or not?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 216 of 232 (848391)
02-04-2019 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Phat
02-04-2019 2:48 AM


Re: The Road Not Taken
Phat writes:
It is a story in a book from long long ago.
It's the same book that contains the stories about Jesus. It's the only source you have.
Phat writes:
I've also been told and believed that the words were alive, like living water.
In which case you should try to get something worthwhile out of them instead of throwing away the ones you don't like.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 219 of 232 (848722)
02-14-2019 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Phat
02-14-2019 11:52 AM


Re: Martin Luther told us humans not to compromise scripture with (heliocentric) science.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Becoming more like God is not a fall.
It is if pride is involved.
What has pride got to do with it?
Phat writes:
Humans think they will survive against incredible odds and conquer space (and time).
I've corrected you on that many times. No we don't.
We know that most species go extinct and there's no reason to think that doesn't include us. And it's becoming more and more likely that we will become the authors of our own demise.
BUT - we are all we've got.
Phat writes:
One reason why I need God is that I need to trust an authority wiser than I am.
What reason do you have to think that the God you made up is wiser than you, except that that's the way you made Him up to be?
(I'm thinking of Ian Fleming making up James Bond - in his own image but better looking, gets more chicks, able to leap tall buildings at a single bound, etc.)
Phat writes:
I also need support and encouragement. You seem to think God provides none of these.
If you think He does, feel free to trundle out anything beyond your own imagination.
Phat writes:
... I feel that you have ruled God out simply because of lack of objective evidence.
And you have ruled out Zeus and unicorns and leprechauns for the same reason.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 221 of 232 (848733)
02-14-2019 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Phat
02-14-2019 1:14 PM


Re: Again we disagree concerning evidence
Phat writes:
Millions of people believe that God is real and that Jesus is alive.
Correction: Billions of people believe in thousands of Gods. A small handful believe Jesus is alive. So, logical fallacies aside, you lose the popularity contest anyway.
Phat writes:
Can you really be confident that you are right and all of the believers n error?
You're pretty confident that the Hindus and Muslims are in error, aren't you? Why shouldn't I have similar confidence that you are in error too - especially since I know the flaws in your belief much better than I know the flaws in those others?
Phat writes:
Many claim they have subjective evidence.
There's no such thing.
Phat writes:
I've even had a couple of incidents that I knew were unexplainable.
So have I. Guess what? I don't explain them."God" is not a catchall explanation for the unexplained.
Phat writes:
And before you bring up Santa Claus, everybody knows he is a myth unless you are 4 years old.
Every four-year-old Hindu knows that Jesus is a myth.
Phat writes:
Finally, look at the many professionals who have degrees in Theology and Divinity and Philosophy who earned Doctorates in religious studies. Do you really think they dont believe?
I think they believe in a thousand different mutually-exclusive denominations and deities. Your Appeal to Authority doesn't work any better than yor Appeal to Popularity.
Phat writes:
Was there not anyone who impressed you with honesty and good character?
Of course there were. Do you think there are no Hindus or Muslims or (shudder) Catholics with honesty and good character? Being honest doesn't make them right.
Phat writes:
I sometimes feel as if skeptics and critics think all of Christianity is simply charlatans and fantasy based dreamers.
That's about it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 226 of 232 (852420)
05-10-2019 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Sarah Bellum
05-09-2019 6:09 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
Put it another way: what if the Bible had errors in it? The readers of the Bible would then have to use their own judgment about what to believe and how to act.
You answered your own question. Why think when you can have a commentator do it for you?
Sarah bellum writes:
But that is what they do already, isn't it?
If you put a baby and a barbecue in front of some "inerrantists", they'd need a YouTube video to tell them what to do with them.

Hippopotamus.

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ringo
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Message 229 of 232 (854264)
06-06-2019 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by AlexCaledin
06-06-2019 11:11 AM


AlexCaledin writes:
... if you are a program not believing in the Programmer....
I think you'll find that most programs work just fine without believing in the programmer.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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