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JonF
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Message 333 of 444 (846808)
01-11-2019 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Faith
01-11-2019 7:30 PM


Very few of them arrive sick.
As to crime:
Pink is native-born, yellow is undocumented immigrants, blue is documented immigrants.
Americans will do those jobs if they are paid enough. They are backbreaking, dirty, boring, soul-destroying jobs, so you'll have to pay them a lot. A lot of your food prices, especially greens and vegetables, will skyrocket.. REALLY skyrocket.. And many other items you wouldn't expect. Plus it's probably un-Constitutional and definitely non-conservative to regulate pay in only those companies that employ undocumented immigrants. Unless you're going to impose a minimum wage much larger than today country-wide.
Or maybe they'll pay out of the goodness of their hearts.
So what do you propose to improve conditions in Central America? Maybe invade and take over the whole shebang. Heck, once murder by Republican is OK, why not some good old fashioned colonialism?
Seeking asylum is doing it right. Getting asylum is no guarantee, there are lots of hurdles. I note your usual lies about the refugees.
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JonF
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Message 338 of 444 (846846)
01-12-2019 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Faith
01-11-2019 7:30 PM


Perhaps you could volunteer to take in a family from say Guatemala who speak no English, at best one of them has a fifth grade education, they have a tubercular baby and all the kids have the H1N1 flu and various parasites and infections and the father has a criminal record in his own country, they are starving and need to be completely dependent on your support..
No, lots of these people arrive sick, and it's irrelevant how many are criminals,
Make up your mind.

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JonF
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Message 348 of 444 (846870)
01-12-2019 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by Faith
01-12-2019 4:25 PM


Yeah, the Samaritan who came across a man who had been robbed, kicked him in the nuts to make sure, went through his clothing finding nothing, kicked him in the nuts again, and dumped him behind a bush is my favorite story.
Is there any group outside of groups you're in that you don't hate?

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JonF
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Message 349 of 444 (846874)
01-12-2019 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by Faith
01-12-2019 3:10 PM


The Guatemalan girl died of dehydration and shock. She did not have H1N1. You can't see through any right wing lies, can you?
The Cato Institute is a strongly right-wing libertarian think tank. From their The Migrant Caravan, Central America, and Vaccination Rates:
quote:
Figure 1 shows that average vaccination rates for Tuberculosis (BCG), Diphtheria, Pertussis, & Tetanus (DTP1), Diphtheria, Pertussis, & Tetanus (DTP3), Hepatitis B (HepB_BD), Hepatitis B (HepB3), Haemophilus Influenzae (Hib3), Polio (IPV1), Measles 1st Dose (MCV1), Measles 2nd Dose (MCV2), Streptococcus Pneumoniae (PCV3), Polio (Pol3), Rubella (RCV1), and Rotavirus (RotaC). The United States is in the middle of the pack with an 89 percent average vaccination coverage rate.
The following figures all show the vaccination coverage rates for different vaccines in Central American countries relative to the United States. In some figures, some countries are excluded because there are no WHO estimates of their vaccination rates. The United States does not have the highest vaccination coverage rate for any vaccine reported below. Perhaps members of the migrant caravan have lower vaccination rates than their fellow countrymen or they are carrying other serious contagions that cannot be vaccinated against. But for most of these illnesses below, you have more to fear from your fellow Americans than from Central Americans.
{emphasis mine}

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JonF
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Message 352 of 444 (846894)
01-13-2019 9:43 AM
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01-12-2019 10:33 PM


So you hate all groups of which you are not at member. Thought so.

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JonF
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Message 353 of 444 (846895)
01-13-2019 9:44 AM
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01-13-2019 7:29 AM


Thank you for acknowledging the point about vaccination.

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JonF
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Message 371 of 444 (847318)
01-21-2019 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 370 by Faith
01-20-2019 7:24 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
There are quite a few right wingers who are against legal immigration. Stephen Miller, a top White House aide, is probably the most influential. But plenty of white supremacists agree.

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JonF
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Message 378 of 444 (847501)
01-23-2019 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:27 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
IOW you have no explanation or evidence, just another right-wing lie.
Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits - National Immigration Forum
quote:
Are undocumented immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?
Generally no. Undocumented immigrants, including DACA holders, are ineligible to receive most federal public benefits, including means-tested benefits such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, sometimes referred to as food stamps), regular Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for health care subsidies under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and are prohibited from purchasing unsubsidized health coverage on ACA exchanges.
Undocumented immigrants may be eligible for a handful of benefits that are deemed necessary to protect life or guarantee safety in dire situations, such as emergency Medicaid, access to treatment in hospital emergency rooms, or access to healthcare and nutrition programs under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC).
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