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Author Topic:   A Way to Think About Free Will and God: Open Theism
Faith 
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Message 354 of 378 (846775)
01-11-2019 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by ringo
01-10-2019 10:49 AM


Re: Calling evil good or good evil.
If you put new tires on your car, few people would say it was a different car. If you move a map from the glove compartment to a new car, few people would say it was the same car. If you copy the scratches and dents from the old car to the new car, most people would say you were faking it.
If your idea of resurrection is just going back to being God, that isn't very impressive.
Why is it that you always so aggressively miss the obvious point? If your car underwent a transformation that made it able to drive through buildings without disturbing anything in the buildings or in the car while keeping its dents and scratches intact ("He was wounded for our transgressions") you might have to admit something in its essential nature had changed. Which is what happened to Jesus' resurrected body, and will happen to the resurrected bodies of all believers in the end (in our case without the dents and scratches of course because they would be meaningless in our case).
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Faith 
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Message 356 of 378 (846804)
01-11-2019 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 355 by Phat
01-11-2019 4:23 PM


Re: Calling evil good or good evil.
Lack of evidence doesn't apply to this point. My scenario fits the actual scripture, his doesn't.

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Faith 
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Message 361 of 378 (846856)
01-12-2019 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 359 by ringo
01-12-2019 11:14 AM


Re: Calling evil good or good evil.
What the scripture actually says is that it was the same Jesus in the same body, not some magical new body.
No it says He walked through walls. He had a changed body. I guess the mental task of inference is too hard for you?
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Faith 
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Message 364 of 378 (846917)
01-13-2019 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by ringo
01-13-2019 1:13 PM


Re: Calling evil good or good evil.
Yes you have a really terrible time with inference, and with the implications of Jesus' changed body. Sometimes I think you just spend all your time trying to come up with the most nonsensical objections possible to everything anyone says.

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Faith 
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Message 368 of 378 (846937)
01-13-2019 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 367 by ringo
01-13-2019 4:08 PM


Re: Calling evil good or good evil.
What seems likely to you is not the point, what the words say is the point, and all this stupid gameplaying being done here is a big waste of time. Jesus did not come in by the door. The door was locked against the Jews they thought might break in. This kind of discussion is a huge waste of time. Blech.

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