Creation

Hi Pressie If science is not a search for the truth why do it.If it's just looking for the best explanation to soothe someone's mind into believing their version of their beliefs is the truth why waste the time.God Bless,

Hi ringo Why is a search for the truth too broad?I thought truth was all that really mattered. Anything else is only part truth or a lie. But if it is not the truth it is false regardless of how much truth is scattered in it. Truth is an absolute.Science is supposed to be a system of study of an organized body of knowledge on a particular subject conducted to find the truth of that particular subject.It is a scientific fact that the universe exists. That is an absolute truth.How that universe came about existing is a bunch of disorganized and unknown knowledge. In which there are many discrepancies of what is true and what is false. However this knowledge gets arranged can be changes just as fast as the wind changes directions.
But the fact the universe exists can not be changed.God Bless,

Hi Pressie Before redshift was discovered everyone believed the universe had existed eternally. Because it was the best explanation for the observations. It is still the best explanation for many of the observations the BBT is in disagreement with.Yet many believe the BBT is the best explanation today.The best explanation can be totally wrong. Or partially wrong.True facts is never wrong they are 100% correct all the time.God Bless,

Hi ringo In Message 1367 you said:

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1. A "search" can use any means, such as prayer, meditation, etc. Science uses a specific method.
2. A "search" often implies a process that ends when the destination is reached. Science is an ongoing process with no ultimate destination.
3. "The truth" can be seen as an absolute. What science finds can always be improved/amended.

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#1 What difference does the method make? You believe that truth can not be found in prayer and meditation so anything found would be untrue. So what?#2 A search for the truth ends when the truth is reached.From what I gather science never finds the truth according to you. Is something is true it is a fact, and facts don't change. That truth is a fact that can not be changed it is not an assumption.Facts in science can not change only the assumptions that scientist make can be changed. I think you are making an assumption that radioactive decay rates do not change.They do change with the rotation of the sun. How many parts of the Big Bang Theory has to be wrong before scientist will agree it is not the best explanation for the observations?cavediver, Son Goku, and Sir Roger Penrose already agree we need a new theory. From Message 13673. "The truth" can be seen as an absolute.Either truth is absolute or it is not it can not be both.God Bless,

Hi ringo How do you know whether anything can or can not happen because of prayer?But you are correct truth is not found through prayer unless you are looking for spiritual truth. When you have facts that supports the theory.Until you have the facts you have nothing but belief. Facts do not change ever.What you believe to be true is what changes not the facts. Only what you believe to be facts.It is your understanding that is flawed, not the facts.Do you even know what a fact is?A fact is a thing that is indisputably true.The universe exists.
The earth exists.
The computer I am using to transfer this post exists.
The keyboard I am typing on exists.
And the list goes on and on. If it is not true it is not the best explanation. It may be the best science can come up with but that does not make it a fact. It remains a hypothesis something that is accepted by faith. Are you telling me that it is not a fact that the universe exists?God Bless,

Hi ringo Everybody has an opinion about everything and prayer is no exception.Please give me what you would consider objective evidence of an answered prayer. I believe we have all the facts we need to prove the universe exists. What other facts would we need for it to be an absolute truth?But when you are talking about something that happened 13.7 billion years ago with no witnesses and all the information you have is the assumption that something took place because it fits what you believe and seems to be the best fit is not an absolute truth. Because you have no evidence.There is a huge building at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500. We call that building the White House. It is an absolute truth that building exists as I have seen it.Do you disagree that the White House's existence is an absolute truth?Your problem with absolute truth is that you nor the scientific community has any that support the BBT or any other hypothesis concerning the beginning to exist of the universe even though they know it exists. Fact you are alive. That can change in only one way you die.
Fact the universe exists. That can change with the universe ceasing to exist due to burning up with fervent heat.Your being alive is a fact. Your death would be a fact.
Existence is a fact. Non existence is not a fact because there is existence. Put your brain into gear before you speak or type. That is the definition of fact.Example: The universe exists. Dispute that. And since it turned out to be false it was not the best explanation. Misinformed, and deluded people just believed it and had faith it was the best explanation. Are you telling me that the universe existing is not a scientific fact? When you have found equivalent evidence for something as there is for the universe existing you have found the absolute truth.For something that happened 13.7 billion or more years ago that your search ends in a place math does not work and can't give any information you will never find the absolute truth for what happened, how, or why it happened. The only thing you can do is to presume certain things happened because you believe that is what happened.
So everything you have been taught or read about the beginning to exist of the universe is faith based and you have no more evidence for what you believe as I do by accepting by Faith God created the universe like He said he did.God Bless,

Hi ringo You may be closer to the truth than you realize.But there are absolute truths.The earth exists.
The sun exists.
The moon exists.
The stars exist.
The lazyboy chair I am sitting in exists.
The keyboard I am typing on exists.
The computer screen I am seeing what I type appear on exists.
The computer I am using exists.
The TV in front of me that Tulane and Louisiana are playing a football game exists.
I could name all kinds of thing that exist in the room I am in exists.Everyone of these things absolutely exist making it an absolute truth they exist I can see them, touch them, and feel them.ringo are you just being deliberately obtuse concerning absolute truth not existing? I won't finish the first part of the quote from Columbo.God Bless,

Hi ringo Are you that stupid or are you deliberately being that obtuse.If anyone is hallucinating it is ringo.God Bless,

Hi ringo So you have no parameters that would make it true or false so you have nothing to base an opinion on. I am not drinking nor am I using any hallucinating drugs so I am not hallucinating. There are 181 moons in our solar system so what? So the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500 does not exist and the 181 moons in our solar system does not exist because you disagree that two moons are an absolute truth.You are deliberately being obtuse. Existence is a state of being in which the universe and everything in it exists. Just because you are in a chaotic stupor does not mean that every body else is hallucinating. Just because something is the best explanation at the time presented does not mean it is the best explanation.You are still being deliberately obtuse. Then why was he wrong? 1. Fact" a thing that is indisputably the case. Google search fact definition.
2. Fact: something that has actual existence Fact Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
3. Fact: A thing that is known or proved to be true. FACT | Meaning & Definition for UK English | Lexico.com
4. Fact: something known to have happened or to exist. FACT | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
5. Fact: something that actually exists; reality; truth: Fact Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.comScientific definition.
6. Fact: A fact is a thing that is known to be consistent with objective reality and can be proven to be true with evidence. Fact - Wikipedia
7. Scientific fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final) Scientific fact - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms | Vocabulary.comSo according to #7 a scientific fact is not a fact but is a tentative fact.1. Tentative:not certain or fixed; provisional.So a scientific fact has no certain or fixed; provisional making it no better than a hypothesis. So I will agree with you that there is a difference between a fact and a scientific fact as they have defined scientific fact as not being a fact but as a tentative fact (could be true or could be false).I will make note of that in any future posts.You see I learned something today.God Bless,

Hi Tanypteryx Sorry to hear that. If you never find the absolute truth you will never get any factual information. So why waste the resources and time trying to find something you are not even looking forWould it not be better to spent the resources and time trying to solve the problems of the world in which we live. Like the food problem, medical problems, diseases that kill and cripple people? Just a thought.God Bless,

Hi Paul Sounds like you believe that statement to be an absolute truth.God Bless,

Hi Dr. I think that would be kind of hard as I have not had a drink since 1962. He said he looked up and saw 2 moons. Well I informed everyone there is 181 in our solar system which is many more than 2. Did you know there was 181 in our solar system?God Bless,

Hi Tanypteryx And most of that knowledge has had to be discarded because no one was looking for the truth. There has been billions wasted because what was promoted as real science had to be discarded as junk science. Not when we are 21 trillion dollars in debt. If the other world goverments decided to set up their own monetery system and dump the dollar as the world currency we would be bankrupt. Because they would not have to use dollars to do business with each other. That would mean we could not print dollars to do business with them.God Bless,

Hi ringo I know prayer works from personal experience but anything I said you would say it was a coincidence regardless of how many events took place due to prayer over one major event. My doctor disagrees with you. Which is building a strawman. I did and here it is.InMessage 1384 you said: But you did not see two moons from earth. You would have to have been on Mars to see 2 moons. So you were either dreaming or either hallucinating.In Message 1384 you said: My question: Do you disagree that the White House's existence is an absolute truth?Your answer: Of course I do,You continued: just like I disagree that two moons are an absolute truth.Using your straw man as you just said above:

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Only one is visible to the naked eye.

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Since you know there is only one moon visible you are arguing and being deliberately obtuse. He was wrong because he did not have the correct information to start with. Dictionaries are what defines the words we use.You don't like it then write your own dictionary and make up your own definitions. Then my hypothesis is just as valid.And don't tell me I don't have any evidence.The CMBR verifies that there was a light period of unknown duration as it is spread over all of the universe. God created the universe in a light period that lasted for an unknown duration.The universe is expanding, according to Hubble and the Bible agrees with him as God stretched it out.I have yet to find the reason science gives for that expansion. What is the cause of it starting to expand?Inflation is a fantasy according to Penrose who is a giant of physics.
So inflation did not start the expansion. If it did what caused inflation to begin?God Bless,

Hi Paul Could you present the objective, verifiable, evidence that high level of confidence is based upon?God Bless,