Phat
Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 1 of 12 (427336)
10-11-2007 4:59 AM
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This controversial Book Nook Review will focus on a book written by David A. Noebel, the president of an evangelical leadership training center known as Summit Ministries. . The book is called The Battle For Truth and represents the world view of most of the Evangelical Christians, (Known around here as the Christian Culture Of Ignorance or The Christian Communion of Bobbleheads). Note the High School Curriculum of Summit Ministries. How do they explain their purpose and overall philosophy? Here are two FAQ from their website: is it important to teach world view thinking? Christians need to understand that the truth of God's word applies to all of life. They need to be able to discern truth from error, whether sitting in a university classroom or watching the evening news. What is the goal of this curriculum? first goal is defensive. We want to protect Christian youth from deception by anti-Christian world views. A recent UCLA dissertation showed that of the college freshmen who identified themselves as "born-again" when they entered college, only 50% identified themselves that way when they graduated! The second goal is offensive. We want to train up Christian leaders who can actively champion the truth of Christianity in a culture of relativism, paganism, hedonism and confusion. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Noebels book opens with a poignant quote by Dr. James Dobson: The Battle For Truth writes: "Nothing short of great Civil War of Values rages today throughout North America. Two sides with vastly differing and incompatible world-views are locked in a bitter conflict that permeates every level of society. . the struggle now is for the hearts and minds of the people. It is a war over ideas. And someday soon, I believe, a winner will emerge and the loser will fade from memory. For now, the outcome is very much in doubt." The book advances the idea that Christianity is locked in some titanic struggle of values within itself and aligned against three other world views:
Secular Humanism
Marxism/Leninism
Cosmic Humanism (The New Age Movement) FOUR WESTERN WORLDVIEW MODELS | SOURCES | HUMANIST MANIFESTO I & II | WRITINGS OF MARX & LENIN | NEW AGE SPIRITUALITY | BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY | | THEOLOGY | Atheism | Atheism | Pantheism | Theism | | PHILOSOPHY | Naturalism | Dialectical Materialism | Non-Naturalism | Super-naturalism | | ETHICS | Relativism | Proletariat Morality | Relativism | Absolutes | | BIOLOGY | Darwinian Evolution | Darwinian Punctuated Evolution | Darwinian Punctuated Evolution | Creationism | | PSYCHOLOGY | Self Actualization | Behaviorism | Collective Consciousness | Mind/Body | | SOCIOLOGY | Non-Traditional Family | Abolition of Home, Church, & State | Non-traditional Home, Church, & State | Traditional Home,Church, and State | | LAW | Positive Law | Positive Law | Self Law | Biblical & Natural Law | | POLITICS | Globalism (World Government) | New World Order | New Age Order | Justice, Freedom, & Order | | ECONOMICS | Socialism | Socialism | Universal Enlightened Production | Stewardship of Property | | HISTORY | Historical Evolution | Historical Materialism | Evolutionary Godhood | Historical Resurrection | Anyway....the Author makes it plain that there is no compromise among Christians in this philosophical "struggle." In another book that Noebel coauthors with Tim LaHaye, entitled Mind Siege one comment said that quote:
The duo has assembled a fear-producing manifesto attacking just about every known minority group and liberal social cause. In the opening chapter, (ominously titled "It Could Happen..."), the authors offer an exaggerated vision of what the world could look like in 10 years if we still forbid Christianity to be taught in U.S. public schools, or if Americans continue to offer gays and lesbians equal rights, or dozens of other similar horrors. What is the root of this evil future scenario? "Secular Humanism," according to the authors. "Unfortunately, the mainline churches ... have eaten, swallowed and disgusted tons of humanistic dogma: evolution, socialism, Marxism, higher criticism of the Bible, moral relativism, amoral sex education, nontraditional families, liberation theology, process theology, gay theology, feminist theology, black theology, world government, and global citizenship to name a few." Some readers will be thrilled by this call to trek what the authors feel is the moral high ground, especially those who base their religious values upon intolerance of racial equity, homosexual love, and women's right to choose (even if that choice makes her a single parent in a "nontraditional family"). Others will most likely find this a disturbing and offensive contribution to the American landscape.
Personally, as I read viewpoints from the opposing "sides" in this debate, I find that while the conservative Christians are quite extreme in some of their views, there has to be a reason that they are worried about the future of the culture. Could it be that they themselves fear extinction? Edited by Phat, : trying to get this darn thing to fit on the page! Edited by Phat, : etc Edited by Phat, : fixed table
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Phat
Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 10 of 12 (743257)
11-29-2014 2:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by jar
10-11-2007 10:55 AM
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Re: Battle for Truth by beginning with misrepresentation?
jar writes: If you are searching for truth, you do not start by concealing data. A Scientist who did that would be drummed out of the profession. Science has ethics. This particular Club has a narrow definition of truth. Perhaps they see the Bible as truth. Perhaps they see like minded club members as representing truth. Perhaps they use religion to push their own brand of truth on others. Pilate asked Jesus "What is truth?" You might say it is Logic, Reason, & Reality. I shall continue asking questions.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo
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Phat
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Message 11 of 12 (845035)
12-10-2018 4:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
10-11-2007 4:59 AM
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Chicago Statement Revisited
One of the signers of the Chicago Statement, D.James Kennedy(deceased) had this to say about the book:
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This is, in my opinion, one of the finest books to come off the press in this century. D. James Kennedy
The list of those who signed the Chicago Statement On Biblical Inerrancy is long.
List Of Signers Comments? Also lets discuss why the graph is misleading. FOUR WESTERN WORLDVIEW MODELS | SOURCES | HUMANIST MANIFESTO I & II | WRITINGS OF MARX & LENIN | NEW AGE SPIRITUALITY | BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY | | THEOLOGY | Atheism | Atheism | Pantheism | Theism | | PHILOSOPHY | Naturalism | Dialectical Materialism | Non-Naturalism | Super-naturalism | | ETHICS | Relativism | Proletariat Morality | Relativism | Absolutes | | BIOLOGY | Darwinian Evolution | Darwinian Punctuated Evolution | Darwinian Punctuated Evolution | Creationism | | PSYCHOLOGY | Self Actualization | Behaviorism | Collective Consciousness | Mind/Body | | SOCIOLOGY | Non-Traditional Family | Abolition of Home, Church, & State | Non-traditional Home, Church, & State | Traditional Home,Church, and State | | LAW | Positive Law | Positive Law | Self Law | Biblical & Natural Law | | POLITICS | Globalism (World Government) | New World Order | New Age Order | Justice, Freedom, & Order | | ECONOMICS | Socialism | Socialism | Universal Enlightened Production | Stewardship of Property | | HISTORY | Historical Evolution | Historical Materialism | Evolutionary Godhood | Historical Resurrection | jar thought we should include more categories. Perhaps the author was fighting philosophical worldviews and ignoring religious ones. Or maybe they did lie.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~" If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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