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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Remember that you're the one who is trying to raise creationism from the dead. We have kept it out of the schools. It's gone. Alluding to some knowledge science has on origin issues that you do not elaborate on is of no value. So you're the one who has to make a move to back it up.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You don't know the first thing about science. Calling it religion shows that. People from any religion can agree about science - and they do. It is only the woefully ignorant who reject science.
You allude to something I do not know about what science claims on origins. Tell us what that is. creation writes:
Indeed, you do have the understanding of a pre- schooler. But some of us go beyond pre-school. The people who developed the computer you're using used the same scientific principles that you scoff at. Ironic, ain't it? Therefore a believer in pre school indeed is in far far better shape!And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
The belief in creationism IS pagan. The authors of the Bible did not reject knowledge like you do. Few Christians reject kowledge like you do. It has been said that creationism is bad science and even worse theology. The belief in creation is not dependent on pagan oppressors running schools in the US actually in any way shape or form.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
If you had any intelligent arguments, you could make them instead of spewing silly childish insults. Pick a topic and discuss it. You can't admit the ugly religion origin sciences are all about. So you pretend you know more about the fables of science and what they are based on than others. Gong.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
There's a difference between belief in creation and creationISM. We have Christians on this forum who accept evolution, etc. Creationism is a cult that rejects science - like you do. It is based entirely on ignorance - wilful ignorance. Creation is confirmed through all the bible actually. Calling it pagan is punk talk.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Reality doesn't support that.
Things evolved fast in the past. The thing is that they started at the created kinds, no evolving before they existed. creation writes:
Creationists are not Bible believers. They twist the Bible to fit their perverted views. If anyone claims the creatures and world were not created by God as the bible says, well, they are not bible believers.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
As I said, there is nothing in reality to support the notion of "created kinds". The Bible doesn't support the creationist fiction of "created kinds" either. It uses the word "kind" much as we would use it today - e.g. "What kind of dog is that?" Yes, obviously if kinds were created on day, they did not evolve from some sewage pile.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
It doesn't say that kinds are immutable. That's a creationist fiction. It also mentions the days the kinds were created! And if it did say that kinds are immutable, it would be wrong. They aren't.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
That's just creationist blather. It's neither scientific nor Biblical. The kinds are what was created. That is as immutable as ever anything could be immutable.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
I didn't say they weren't. I said that Biblical kinds are NOT the immutable creationist kinds. Kinds are biblical....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
All you have done is claim, with no basis whatsoever, that we can't see that far. You have failed miserably, as creationism always does. Too bad that falsifying a young universe by SN1987a was a concept/claim that is already defeated here.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
creation is not discussing anything. Not that we dont enjoy discussions with creationists such as "creation" here.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
The only things that we can know about its "true nature" is what it tells us. You can rant all you like about "nature changing" but you can not know that it did.
Seeing a star does not tell us it's size or distance or true nature. creation writes:
That is correct. WE do not know - and "we" includes YOU. YOU do not know that "nature has changed", so YOU can not draw meaningful conclusions based on the idea that "nature has changed".
What else stars may have that we cannot detect/see we do not know. creation writes:
So you admit that you're only guessing.
What time and space there are like we can only guess at... creation writes:
All we can do is apply what we do know in our attempts to understand what we don't know yet. Your guessing about "changes in nature" contribute nothing. ... what man has done is impose the realities of earth and area out there also.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Science tries to expand its rules to fit the facts. It's creationists who try to shoehorn the facts into what some ancient sheep herders believed. Science tries to fit all things into it's little set of beliefs and rules.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
You're in the same space and time as everybody else. You don't see anything that everybody else doesn't see. So you can not claim that there is something different "out there". You're just making up fiction. Whatever light does it does here where it streams in from there. Here in our space and time.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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