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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
ringo
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Message 844 of 948 (842370)
10-30-2018 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 843 by creation
10-30-2018 12:44 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Alluding to some knowledge science has on origin issues that you do not elaborate on is of no value.
Remember that you're the one who is trying to raise creationism from the dead. We have kept it out of the schools. It's gone.
So you're the one who has to make a move to back it up.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 849 of 948 (842446)
10-31-2018 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 846 by creation
10-31-2018 2:05 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
You allude to something I do not know about what science claims on origins. Tell us what that is.
You don't know the first thing about science. Calling it religion shows that. People from any religion can agree about science - and they do. It is only the woefully ignorant who reject science.
creation writes:
Therefore a believer in pre school indeed is in far far better shape!
Indeed, you do have the understanding of a pre- schooler. But some of us go beyond pre-school. The people who developed the computer you're using used the same scientific principles that you scoff at. Ironic, ain't it?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 850 of 948 (842447)
10-31-2018 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 848 by creation
10-31-2018 2:09 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
The belief in creation is not dependent on pagan oppressors running schools in the US actually in any way shape or form.
The belief in creationism IS pagan. The authors of the Bible did not reject knowledge like you do. Few Christians reject kowledge like you do. It has been said that creationism is bad science and even worse theology.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 857 of 948 (842519)
11-02-2018 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 852 by creation
11-01-2018 2:45 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
You can't admit the ugly religion origin sciences are all about. So you pretend you know more about the fables of science and what they are based on than others. Gong.
If you had any intelligent arguments, you could make them instead of spewing silly childish insults. Pick a topic and discuss it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 858 of 948 (842520)
11-02-2018 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 853 by creation
11-01-2018 2:46 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Creation is confirmed through all the bible actually. Calling it pagan is punk talk.
There's a difference between belief in creation and creationISM. We have Christians on this forum who accept evolution, etc. Creationism is a cult that rejects science - like you do. It is based entirely on ignorance - wilful ignorance.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 868 of 948 (842650)
11-04-2018 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 859 by creation
11-02-2018 6:00 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Things evolved fast in the past. The thing is that they started at the created kinds, no evolving before they existed.
Reality doesn't support that.
creation writes:
If anyone claims the creatures and world were not created by God as the bible says, well, they are not bible believers.
Creationists are not Bible believers. They twist the Bible to fit their perverted views.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 875 of 948 (842862)
11-09-2018 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 872 by creation
11-08-2018 3:35 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Yes, obviously if kinds were created on day, they did not evolve from some sewage pile.
As I said, there is nothing in reality to support the notion of "created kinds". The Bible doesn't support the creationist fiction of "created kinds" either. It uses the word "kind" much as we would use it today - e.g. "What kind of dog is that?"

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 880 of 948 (843320)
11-16-2018 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 878 by creation
11-15-2018 8:08 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
It also mentions the days the kinds were created!
It doesn't say that kinds are immutable. That's a creationist fiction.
And if it did say that kinds are immutable, it would be wrong. They aren't.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 885 of 948 (843504)
11-18-2018 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 882 by creation
11-18-2018 3:07 AM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
The kinds are what was created. That is as immutable as ever anything could be immutable.
That's just creationist blather. It's neither scientific nor Biblical.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 889 of 948 (843719)
11-20-2018 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 887 by creation
11-19-2018 1:47 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Kinds are biblical....
I didn't say they weren't. I said that Biblical kinds are NOT the immutable creationist kinds.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 894 of 948 (844114)
11-25-2018 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 891 by creation
11-25-2018 3:39 AM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Too bad that falsifying a young universe by SN1987a was a concept/claim that is already defeated here.
All you have done is claim, with no basis whatsoever, that we can't see that far. You have failed miserably, as creationism always does.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 897 of 948 (844126)
11-25-2018 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 895 by Phat
11-25-2018 1:40 PM


Re: Confusing
Phat writes:
Not that we dont enjoy discussions with creationists such as "creation" here.
creation is not discussing anything.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 917 of 948 (844258)
11-27-2018 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 902 by creation
11-26-2018 1:21 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Seeing a star does not tell us it's size or distance or true nature.
The only things that we can know about its "true nature" is what it tells us. You can rant all you like about "nature changing" but you can not know that it did.
creation writes:
What else stars may have that we cannot detect/see we do not know.
That is correct. WE do not know - and "we" includes YOU. YOU do not know that "nature has changed", so YOU can not draw meaningful conclusions based on the idea that "nature has changed".
creation writes:
What time and space there are like we can only guess at...
So you admit that you're only guessing.
creation writes:
... what man has done is impose the realities of earth and area out there also.
All we can do is apply what we do know in our attempts to understand what we don't know yet. Your guessing about "changes in nature" contribute nothing.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 918 of 948 (844259)
11-27-2018 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 912 by creation
11-27-2018 2:23 AM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Science tries to fit all things into it's little set of beliefs and rules.
Science tries to expand its rules to fit the facts. It's creationists who try to shoehorn the facts into what some ancient sheep herders believed.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 928 of 948 (844348)
11-28-2018 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 922 by creation
11-27-2018 4:58 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
Whatever light does it does here where it streams in from there. Here in our space and time.
You're in the same space and time as everybody else. You don't see anything that everybody else doesn't see. So you can not claim that there is something different "out there". You're just making up fiction.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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