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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Naturally if trees grew fast they would also have matching patterns of rings in a given area. That tells us nothing of what nature existed.
As for Shaw's chronology you offered, that included king lists, face it, that is a joke. You can't justify dates by king lists. Period. Trying to make tree ring patterns jive with king lists is a joke. The underlying premise for doing so is your same ol same ol same state past nature belief. Ho hum.Religion.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
You need not reject your beliefs. You simply need to admit they are beliefs. I have my own, thanks.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
The correlations lose meaning when they only correlate in your head. You have simply tried to offer your fantasy same state nature in the past belief as the reason we see patterns in nature now. Absurd.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
creation writes: In this nature we do not live 1000 years. Not the same. You may not declare trees never used to grow fast, to do so is out of ignorance and willful belief. Yeah! And no one knows Christmas is in two months!
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Actually look at the graph.
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/...ord-of-god-team-1-728.jpg If the nature change was in the days of Peleg, who was born they say 101 years after the flood, then no one lived more than a few hundred years plus after that. Those few born before the change may have lived an longer after this time. If Shem lived, say about 500 years after the flood, that would be only about say, 395 years after the nature change. If the change happened in the days of Peleg and Peleg lived 239 years, then Shem only lived some 160 years over the new normal life spans. Presumably, being born in the former nature would have impacted his life span. But the graph is clear, and it is in the days of Peleg we get the leveling off and drop to today's levels. You are in no position to call the recorded life spans fiction. As for the migration of animals, if the land was together at that time, it is possible!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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If the nature change was in the days of Peleg, who was born they say 101 years after the flood, then no one lived more than a few hundred years plus after that. If. They say? Who are they? Fiction.
Those few born before the change may have lived an longer after this time. Do you ever read what you write?
If Shem lived, say about 500 years after the flood, that would be only about say, 395 years after the nature change. If the change happened in the days of Peleg and Peleg lived 239 years, then Shem only lived some 160 years over the new normal life spans. Presumably, being born in the former nature would have impacted his life span. But the graph is clear, and it is in the days of Peleg we get the leveling off and drop to today's levels. More fiction. If. If.
You are in no position to call the recorded life spans fiction. Actually I am in the perfect position to call it all fiction. You are the one who cannot prove it is not fiction.
As for the migration of animals, If the land was together at that time, it is possible! More ifs, IF, IF, IF. And more fiction.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
What proof do you have Peleg was fiction?
Who says he was born a certain number of years after the flood? The chronologies of the bible, and scholars. Edited by creation, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
What proof do you have Peleg was fiction? You cannot prove it is not fiction.
Who says he was born a certain number of years after the flood? The chronologies of the bible, and scholars. Fiction. Using the bible as evidence that the bible is not fiction is a classic case of circular reasoning. Fictional characters in a fictional book are imaginary. Is that all you have?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Who says he was born a certain number of years after the flood? The chronologies of the bible ... Which are woefully inaccurate and fictional.
... and scholars. But the "scholars" you would cite are all deeply religious weenies out to support a fiction at whatever cost to the truth. No help there, creation. Got any real reliable evidence from outside your biblical fictions that your boy Pegleg or his great great great grandad actually existed?
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
You need not reject your beliefs.
Your opinion. Make a compelling argument.
You simply need to admit they are beliefs.
Supported conclusions.
I have my own, thanks.
Yes, you have unsupported beliefs, fantasies.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
The correlations lose meaning when they only correlate in your head.
They correlate in reality. Why is that?
You have simply tried to offer your fantasy same state nature in the past belief as the reason we see patterns in nature now.
I have offered an explanation. That is what science does. You have no explanation.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Naturally if trees grew fast they would also have matching patterns of rings in a given area. ...
This is not recorded in any history or religious or any other document, which means you are making it up to bolster your belief. That is not how science is done, this is a science thread and you need to support your position with objective empirical evidence.
As for Shaw's chronology you offered, that included king lists, face it, that is a joke. You can't justify dates by king lists. Period. In other words you have no answer to how the Egyptian chronology was modified by a different nature yet still correlates with the tree rings for the same measured age of the artifacts. That means you are unable to explain the correlations with a fantasy different nature. Epic fail. You've joined the ranks of other creationists that have failed to explain the correlations. This is a science thread, and denial of evidence is not a scientific argument. Curiously I see you use your own version of a "kings list" in Message 965:
Actually look at the graph. https://image.slidesharecdn.com/...ord-of-god-team-1-728.jpg If the nature change was in the days of Peleg, who was born they say 101 years after the flood, then no one lived more than a few hundred years plus after that. Here's the image:
The differences between this and the Egyptian Kings List are:
Your king list is a made-up fantasy with no relation to reality, and you mock the Egyptian list that is based on actual objective empirical evidence. Pathetic. You have no clue what real evidence involves.
Trying to make tree ring patterns jive with king lists is a joke. ... All I have done is observe that the two systems correlate for the ages of the artifacts. Dismissing the evidence as a joke is a sign of cognitive dissonance -- your inability or unwillingness to accept or deal with what the evidence shows -- AND it is not a refutation of the conclusion of old age, nor of the correlations. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : No reason given. Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : ...by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Saying the word reality does not help your religion.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Show some scholars of your own that say Noah never really lived then. Yur whining grows tiresome.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Your criteria then is that one cannot prove something is fiction so it is false. OK.
That leaves your religion in the dumps.
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