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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The truth is the truth, no matter how much you deny it, twist it or lie about it. It's unbelievers who are the arrogant ones who think they can better understand God's word against the entire history of the Church.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: Where did He say that? quote: And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I don't think that's what Jesus intended. There's always an "other" cheek. You slap me on one cheek I will turn the other.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
It's Prophecy 101.
No place in that verse do I see swords were needed to fulfil prophesy.Could you point out where that prophesy is. quote:Buying swords was for the purpose of fulfilling the prophecy that the Messiah would be "reckoned among the transgressors": quote:Isaiah also has the standard Messianic prophecies that are often attributed to Jesus: verse 3: He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief verse 5: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities etc. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Indeed it does. It gives you an excuse for throwing out the bits that you don't like. "Jesus would have agreed with me," is an egregious copout.
Granted this belief leaves a lot of wiggle room and self-justification for any believer to use... Phat writes:
Another copout. Who makes the laws? What is relevant is what current laws dictate. I need an adjective like extra-egregious for, "It's legal so I'm gonna do it." "Slavery is legal, so I'm gonna own slaves." "Turning Jews over to the Gestapo is legal so I'm gonna turn Jews over to the Gestapo."And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
So, "loving your neighbour as yourself," means being prepared to shoot him if he steps out of line? So I am to love God above all else, and I am supposed to love you just as much as I love myself. Edited by ringo, : fixed quoteAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You give me too much credit. Sometimes I think that you purposefully get our names wrong. Time to confess.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Loving your neighbour as yourself is pretty clear: don't treat your neighbour better than yourself. So yes, harming your neighbour is exactly what the commandment is about.
There is nothing about those two commandments that tells me I have to let my neighbor kill or harm me or my wife. ICANT writes:
Again, that's the exact opposite of what the commandment says: Don't go with your instincts; do what's right. My mind is conditioned that when I would see a weapon of any kind that is being positioned to bring harm to me or anyone around me reflexes would take over without even thinking as my actions would be automatic.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Not my sight. It's what Jesus said:
So me not blowing his/her brains out and allowing him to kill me or worse wound me incapacitating me for the rest of my life, would be the right thing to do in your sight.quote:"Resist not evil," would seem to apply directly to blowing people's brains out, even if they are evil. ICANT writes:
Reacting without thinking is even worse than reacting on instinct. Nobody who reacts without thinking should be allowed near a gun. So I am trained to react to events without thinking that is not instinct as it would be much slower.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I cited Matthew 5:38-39. Didn't you read my post?
Where did Jesus say that? ICANT writes:
Ecclesiastes 3:8 says, "a time of war." That would be when there would be a time to kill. The Bible says: "a time to kill". Ecc. 3:3The only time I can see that is when someone is trying to kill you. It's certainly not an excuse for you to directly contradict Jesus.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
See, this is where I disagree with most gun control advocates. I don't think any civilian should have a handgun - or most cops either. But if you're going to interpret the "militia" in the 2nd Ammendment as meaning everybody, then it must mean military weapons for everybody. I'd like to see the NRA advocating for grenade-launchers, RPGs, and all types of infantry weapons. Then maybe people would see how stupid that argument is. I'm against assault rifles, whether or not they're automatic.Why, though? And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Yes it does. It says, "resist not evil." A fellow fixing to kill you with a weapon constitutes evil, doesn't it? Jesus told you not to resist.
That don't say anything about a fellow fixing to kill me with a weapon. ICANT writes:
No. It isn't that specific. It talks about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, not just a cheek. And the passage to which Jesus is referring is even broader:
It is talking about a man slapping you on one cheek....quote:It is definitely NOT just about a slap on the cheek. ICANT writes:
There's always an "other" cheek. But if you turned the other cheek and he slapped it then there are no instructions after that.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I'm saying they shouldn't be, not by the same logic used in the gun-totin' interpretation of the amendment. If every citizen has the right to bear arms for the purpose of a well-regulated militia, then any infantry weapons should be allowable. ringo writes:
But those are already against the law. I'd like to see the NRA advocating for grenade-launchers, RPGs, and all types of infantry weapons. Then maybe people would see how stupid that argument is.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
The same applies to nuclear weapons - which is why we try to restrict nuclear weapons. So the gun is not what is dangerous. The person holding the gun is the problem.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
So your claim about guns being "tools" was false. I don't even own an AR15 I classify them as toys.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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