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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Did the businessmen just memorize all of their numbers? In fact, there seems to be no reason to assume that man even had any need to write at all in that pre flood/nature change world.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Creation writes: Roughly the same as now. However apparently a year was 360 days so I guess there was some little difference. I'll let you discuss that 'little difference' with others and take that as a normal year. So we're left with about 1,500 years where a year was some millions of 'normal' years long?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
creation writes: In fact, there seems to be no reason to assume that man even had any need to write at all in that pre flood/nature change world. Yeah? What about letters to Santa Claus? This is a science thread. Your childish myth about an imaginary flood and an even sillier nature change world do not belong here.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Good point. If there was no need to write to communicate, was there a need to write to record things? Who knows?
We have the hieroglyphics and they are from the earliest civilization pretty well after the flood. So if you have pre Egyptian written records of businessmen writing numbers, do post it.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
This is a science thread so have you any physical evidence of writing pre Egypt? If not do not claim there was. If so, produce the goods.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
No. Probably before the time of Noah, the record of the bible indicates a world that was of a different nature.
So tree rings and other things we see in this nature are no good for dating. You see, I place the flood at 70,000,000 years ago or so, in science years. In actual real years it was 4500.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
creation writes: This is a science thread so have you any physical evidence of writing pre Egypt? If not do not claim there was. I made no such claim. I said your childish myth doesn't belong in a science thread.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
creation writes: No. Probably before the time of Noah, the record of the bible indicates a world that was of a different nature.So tree rings and other things we see in this nature are no good for dating. It doesn't matter what the 'nature' was before the flood, it would leave physical evidence behind. If a year lasted longer than 365 days, ice layers, tree rings etc would show it. They don't.
You see, I place the flood at 70,000,000 years ago or so, in science years. In actual real years it was 4500. I'm afraid I don't see that. You're going to have to explain it. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
And yet the Egyptians didn't write about "the Flood" at all - just as if it didn't happen at all. We have the hieroglyphics and they are from the earliest civilization pretty well after the flood.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote:Ha ha ha. Missing rings. Great. Pity you didn't take his advice and read the wiki article. The rings that are missing are at the early central core of the tree stump, where they have rotted or been eroded away. Because it is the center that is missing we know the tree was older. Further, "missing rings" do occur when core samples are used, when the weather is sufficiently severe that growth only occurs on one side of the tree and the core misses that section. This has been verified by several methods -- scientific -- that you would not be interested in learning about (they are detailed at the start of this thread). Another Bristlecone Pine has been found that was documented by coring to be 5062 years old in 2012, so it would be 5068 years old today. List of oldest trees - Wikipedia
Well, let;s make it easy can you show a good close up of any rings over 4500 years? Ha. The ages are normally determined by taking multiple core samples, something you would know if you read anything about dendrochronology instead of wallowing in ignorance. Prometheus is unique in having been cut down. The core samples are usually kept in a lab, where their count tally can be verified. Of course if you are serious, you could contact the forestry service and get permission to make your own core. You won't, though because you are in denial of reality. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You see, I place the flood at 70,000,000 years ago or so, in science years. ... Based on what? What's your evidence?
... In actual real years it was 4500. So a year measured by scientific means is not an actual year. Fascinating delusion. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
So how do you weigh in on whether there was any writing pre tower of Babel era? Clarity is nice.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
My guess as to when the flood was is based on many facets of science and the bible and history.
Measuring a year in the far past on earth by this current nature is nothing more than a statement of faith. Edited by creation, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Missing rings do occur in trees grown in this nature. To assume it was also true in the past nature is nothing more than blind faith in a same state past.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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So how do you weigh in on whether there was any writing pre tower of Babel era? There was no tower of Babel. It's a myth. It is fictional. There were people writing in China, India, Mesopotamia, and Egypt before the time when the story of the biblical flood is supposed to have happened. They kept on writing right through the biblical flood and never bothered to mention it.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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