Hi Mod,
Mod writes:
We're talking about the size of the universe today. And there definitely was a prior point in time for today. Yesterday is an example.
I thought we were talking about some fraction of a second up to a second after T=0. Not yesterday.
Mod writes:
Which is what I said. Did you forget what your point was or something?
I was just reminding you it had reached that 19.7 light years in diameter in 1 second. I gave the volume of a sphere that had a diameter of 19.7 light years.
If the space expanding was the result of a universe 19.7 light years in diameter in 1 second, that was pretty fast.
It had to expand at 5.88 trillion miles per second. That sounds impossible to me. But again it is not my assumptions.
So the unseen universe was expanding for 380.000 years.
When we get to the visible universe what was the diameter of the unseen universe?
Where is that non visible universe located at today?
Wouldn't it have to be located at the center of the visible universe?
Mod writes:
Understanding how the fundamental particles and forces work. That is to say: physics. I have answered this several times now.
You use the word physics like I use the word Bible.
Mod writes:
I'll take that as a concession that your objection regarding particles being too far apart to form atoms is faulty.
No concession just a statement of observation.
I still find the theory of expansion discussed so you haven't proved it wrong yet.
Space can only exist between things. If that space expands all those things are further apart. What part of that do you not understand?
Mod writes:
I already showed you. You estimate what the density of the observable universe is, then you calculate how dense it would be if you reduced the amount of volume to the size it was when this was happening and the answer is staring you in the face.
If you want me to understand that you will have to explain the mechanism that could cause everything in the current universe including all the 24% of dark matter, the 71.4% of Dark energy plus all the 4.6% of atoms (normal matter), to reduce its current size to the size of a pin point.
There is no such known mechanism.
Mod writes:
I'm sure you have a point, but you forgot to make it.
I was just making a statement of what is said to have existed and in what form it was in before space began to expand.
Mod writes:
Physics. You've not demonstrated any ability to understand advanced physics so it seems like a fool's errand to put it in front of you.
There you go referring to your bible again.
Mod writes:
In simple terms: a scalar field through all of space with a high potential energy which drops as the universe expands - this results in a phase change resulting in a slowing of the expansion rate.
But you only have 0.00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001 of a second for speed up, expansion, and slow down.
I don't know the name for a number with 32 spaces but 30 spaces would be 1 nonillionth of a second. That is a very short time. Sounds like a miracle to me.
Mod writes:
We apply that knowledge to the conditions of the early universe (temperature, density etc).
But you have no facts from the early universe.
All you have are assumptions.
Mod writes:
I put something that was at least -10C in a glass and locked in a safe that only I have the key for. 24 hours later I open the safe and it has water in it. The current temperature of the safe is 25C. Without being able to see this happen but knowing some information about the early conditions and the final outcome you can guess that the glass contained some ice.
Who measured the temperature of the universe when it began to expand?
Who measured the universe when it was supposed to be the size of a pin point?
Those were produce in what Sir Roger Penrose says is a fantasy.
Mod writes:
That's science. You can work out what happened in an accident, a murder or whatever other phenomena you are interested in by building experiments based on educated guesswork and seeing the consequences and figuring out what the experiment results tell you about the phenomena in question. The degree of certainty can vary depending on a number of factors.
You can examine the evidence accumulated from the scene of the accident or murder.
You can't examine anything as you have nothing from the scene of the beginning of the universe. In fact the first thing you have is the cmbr 380,000 years after the so called BB.
Mod writes:
Nothing except the history of the last 13.7 billion years
But you don't have a history of the first 380,000 years.
Mod writes:
but it's still a heck of a lot more than 'god did it'.
How do you know? You have never given a thought as to how God might have done it.
God Bless,
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