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Percy
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Message 302 of 1184 (840445)
09-29-2018 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by jar
09-29-2018 4:02 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Again, all you offer is empty claims about yourself, not facts or even any acknowledgement of other people's facts. Of what possible relevance are all your lofty claims about your wonderful self? Maybe they're true, maybe not, how could we know, and who cares anyway? Even if you're as wonderful as you say, what does it matter given all the people with guns in their nightstands, closets, dresser drawers, all the people who can't clean their guns without shooting the next door neighbor, all the jurisdictions that don't care how responsible or trained or sane people carrying guns are?
What we do know is that the presence of guns places people in greater danger, not less. This is because the chance of encountering an armed criminal intent on doing you harm is smaller than the chance of your own gun doing someone harm.
Percy, the issues you raise are all equally valid when it comes to the far more deadly activity called driving.
This is irrelevant to the discussion, but on what are you basing this claim? I think you're making this up. In any case, motor vehicles are essential to any modern economy and have become increasingly safe with time. Aside from gun and ammunition manufacturers, guns contribute little to the civilian economy and have become increasingly deadly with time.
Of the two of us, I am the one less likely to murder someone with a gun while out in public, so don't talk to us of how safe you are with guns. Follow the facts, apply some common sense, and find a new hobby.
--Percy

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ICANT
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Message 303 of 1184 (840446)
09-29-2018 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Percy
04-03-2018 11:44 AM


Re: Problem
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Sure they were. You think no one doing "bad things...in the name of religion" were followers of Jesus? Followers of Jesus are acknowledged sinners, and sins run the gamut from white lies to murder to supporting Trump.
Show me where Jesus did any bad things in the name of religion.
Jesus defines who His followers are.
quote:
John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
10:30 I and my Father are one.
So to be a follower of Jesus we must follow Him which means we can't do the things we want to do.
Yes there have been many times in my life I was not following Jesus. But He loved me just the same, and many times He chastised me for my disobedience.
I am just glad He gave me eternal life when I accepted His offer of a free full pardon for my sins. Else I would be in bad shape.
Now I know you have said Jesus is a myth. It would make no difference if He was a myth anyone living a life like your myth would be living a perfect life in this world. But one day when you meet Him you will know He is no myth.
Maybe it is considered a sin by you for a person to support Trump but the last time I checked my 401k was a lot better than it was in 2015.
Percy writes:
So one can only be a follower of Jesus if the only sin one has committed is overturning the tables of the money changers.
You may now commence denying that you said what you just said.
Why would I want to deny what I said.
Jesus chasing the money changers out of the temple was not a sin.
Did you read what you were commenting on?
quote:
The only time He could possibly have been accused of doing something bad was when He chased out the money changers from the temple because they had made His house a den of thieves.
That is what I said. So if they had made His house a den of thieves what was wrong with Him chasing them out of His house. If you were letting someone use your house and came back and saw they had set up a meth factory in your house would you have the right to chase them out?
I don't teach religious people. I teach sinners. Religious people won't attend where I teach more than one or two services. They don't like to be told they are sinners.
Percy writes:
So you're arguing that people are concluding that because they "are no more than a worm" and "just evolved from a lower life form" that they are "their own boss and no one can tell them what to do or not do." How does the conclusion follow from the premises?
The premise is that there is no God, that means no life after death on earth. Thus no judgment or punishment for anything they do in this life. If there is no judgment or punishment what difference does it make what a person does here in this life?
Percy writes:
Not sure, but are you maybe returning to the topic here? irregardless, again, how does this conclusion frollow from the premises?
As I said in the previous paragraph.
In the old west if a person killed another person they were usually hung the next day. As time went on the time grew between conviction and execution. Today in states that still have the death penalty it is usually 25 years before a sentence is carried out. So what is the big deal about taking someone's life? Especially if there is no judgment of God.
Percy writes:
Where in anything you said above did you show that people are caused to believe there is "nothing else"?
I was talking about people who do not believe in God, heaven (a place people are rewarded for accepting God's free full pardon) and hell (a place people are punished for not accepting the free full pardon they are offered by God).
Percy writes:
I've heard jail is an unpleasant place - are you sure you want to advise people to "just take what you want and don't worry about the consequences"?
All the folks in jail live a lot better than those folks that live on the streets and many areas of our cities.
But I don't advise anyone to do anything they want too.
I advise everybody including you to believe in God and accept His offer of a free pardon. Then try to live a life like Jesus lived while He walked on the earth. Then when you fall down get up brush yourself off and resume that journey.
Percy writes:
A lot of TV preachers seem to have this problem.
Most of them do as their God is money.
Percy writes:
Oh, you mean Trump.
Not really. I was thinking about Hillary.
Percy writes:
Do I have that right?
Yep.
Percy writes:
Way to completely miss the point. You should have asked yourself why there are no efforts to ban knives, fists and feet, clubs and hammers. Could it be because no person with a knife, even a hundred knives, has ever killed 58 and wounded 851? Has any person with a knife ever even killed 17 and wounded 17? The 2014 Kumming knife attack in Japan that killed 31 and wounded 140 was carried out by 8 perpetrators, which is 4 killed and 18 wounded per perpetrator. How many might they have killed and wounded had they been armed with AR-15s?
First things first the AR15 you can purchase is not the AR15 that is used in war by our military.
The fact still remains that more people are killed with fists and feet, clubs and hammers kill a lot more people than the so called assault rifles.
Percy writes:
Here's a list of horse and buggy accidents of the type that the horse and buggy era endured, many resulting in death. Getting kicked by a horse would become more common, too.
Six pages 50 to page = approximately 300 accidents between 1834 and 1949, a span of 115 years.
I lived in Tampa Fla for 10 years just 3 blocks from Tampa Stadium. The Stadium is on Dale Mabry Hwy. Going north on Dale Mabry to the intersection with waters you find the intersection that was the worlds worst intersection for 8 of those 10 years averaging 3 wrecks per day. They outdid the buggies in 101 days.
Percy writes:
Why does a civilian need either one?
No civilian needs a fully automatic weapon.
But for protection, hunting and sport shooting the AR15 is decent.
I prefer my 12 ga. Remington Magpul 14" barrel shotgun with a drum magazine for protection or with the 28" barrel for hunting with a 3 shot magazine. Each 00 buckshot has 15 pellets about the size of the AR15 pellet. With slugs it becomes a bad dude.
Percy writes:
You are like way off. While personal gun ownership is up because more people own multiple guns, household gun presence is down and declining, about 30% right now:
How do you know how many homes have weapons in them?
If you were to call me up doing a survey and ask me if I had a gun in the house or how many guns I had in my house I would tell you none.
All my friends would tell you the same.
Percy writes:
Anticipating the apocalypse, I see.
No, just prepared. My grandmother taught me a stitch in time saves nine.
Percy writes:
You're repeating a false Ben Carson claim
No, I was just going by the stories my grandfather told me. That some of his kin related to him after they got out of Germany. Besides how did they round up six million Jews and kill them?
If they had arms there would have been a lot less that was part of the holocaust.
Percy writes:
Then gun deaths in the US would decline precipitously.
What makes you think gun death would decline?
The people that would turn over their guns are not going to kill anybody anyway. If they were they would be dead as that is the only way anybody would get their weapons.
The crooks would still have plenty of weapons as long as weapons were made. And if the factories were shut down they would simply build their own. If I remember correctly you can go to the hardware store and purchase enough material to build a 38 or 45 cal. single shot weapon for less than $15.
It is a pipe dream to think confiscation would do any good.
It would probably cause a lot of deaths to try it.
Percy writes:
You mean the 2009 election in Iran? 36 were killed according to Wikipedia.
Are those who edit Wikipedia living in Iran? Or do they take what the government tells them?
And that is not the first time they tried.
Percy writes:
How come it's the most religious who most strongly advocate implements of death?
Due to the fact that we have the most to lose.
Over 60 million Christians were killed in the 1200 years after the crucifixion of Christ. Most of them at the hands of the Church State governments that existed during that time. When our forefathers left Europe and came to America they came for the purpose of being able to worship God without interference from the government. That is the reason for the second amendment as well as the separation of Church and State statement, which is one of the most misunderstood statement in our constitution. The constitution guarantees the government is not to start a state run religion. In other words the government is to stay out of Church business.
There are too many people who have died and braved many dangers that we, including you can have the freedoms we enjoy today to go back to the government controlling our lives.
Is that what you would like.
It is great to be able to say anything you want to say and not be killed. There are many places in the world you could not do that. In fact when I was in Cuba I was not allowed to preach but I could give a testimony. But was warned in advance that I was not to mention any thing about the government. There were at lease 3 plain clothes military men in every service. The people were allowed to meet, and worship but they could not talk politics at all. Castro decided it was good to let the people have that much freedom and they were a much happier people and was not so keen to overthrow him.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 304 of 1184 (840447)
09-29-2018 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by Percy
09-29-2018 5:52 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
I am not all the people with guns in their nightstands Percy. Sorry but I thought you knew that.
Percy writes:
This is because the chance of encountering an armed criminal intent on doing you harm is smaller than the chance of your own gun doing someone harm.
Yet you have not presented any evidence that my own gun might do someone harm.

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ICANT
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Message 305 of 1184 (840448)
09-29-2018 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Minnemooseus
05-22-2018 7:49 PM


Re: 10 People Killed In Texas High School Shooting - May 18, 2018
Hi moose,
moose writes:
I think a big part of the problem is trickle down stupidity in the Trump era.
Do you really think this 17 year old got that stupid in the last 2 years?
Sounds a little far fetched too me.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 306 of 1184 (840449)
09-29-2018 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by jar
09-29-2018 6:59 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi jar,
jar writes:
Yet you have not presented any evidence that my own gun might do someone harm.
jar have you ever pointed a gun at anything that you did not intend to kill?
In all my 72 years of handling guns I have never pointed one of my guns at anything I did not intend to hit (targets) or kill (animals, fowl and fish). Most of it was consumed at my table and the rest at someone else's table.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Porkncheese
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Message 307 of 1184 (840450)
09-30-2018 6:37 AM


Crazy gun laws
Hi guys hope everyone is well.
I had to chip in here cos from the outside America it looks so fucked up with their gun laws. How often is there a mass shooting in Europe, Asia, etc compared to the states. Its just ludacris
Here in Australia I think we have fair gun laws. Shooting is used for sporting activities only. You need a different license for different guns and more licenses for different game hunting. A criminal record will meant ur not allowed to own one.
Shotguns can only be 2 shot, no more autos or semi autos. Besides how sporting is it to blast 8 rounds at a duck or something. If u missed it in 2 shots then u weren't good enough.
Rifles cannot be automatic. Only semis like bolt action hunting rifles.
Handguns again u can only have one for sporting purpose. It cannot be stored in your house but rather at a gun club. Rifles and shotguns may be kept at home but must follow a strict security laws.
The problem in the USA from wat I understand is that the constitution was written during a war and so says u can own heaps of firearms. Ur leaders won't change the laws cos of the political power of the NRA and that's really sad.
The fact u can buy fully automatic military guns is just insane really. And from places like 7-11 and Walmart I heard. Thats crazym
I hope it changes but unfortunately the greed of politicians eclipses everything I think. Without a powerful opposition to the NRA there's little chance probs. I'm not too sure all I know is that shootings here are rare and taken seriously wen it happens.
Anyway take care in the wild wild west people

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jar
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Message 308 of 1184 (840451)
09-30-2018 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by ICANT
09-29-2018 7:40 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
I really have no respect for that position and argument. In hunting there is an intent to kill but only in hunting. In self defense my intention is and would never be to kill but only to stop a distinct and immediate threat.

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jar
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From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 309 of 1184 (840452)
09-30-2018 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Porkncheese
09-30-2018 6:37 AM


Re: Crazy gun laws
P&C writes:
The fact u can buy fully automatic military guns is just insane really. And from places like 7-11 and Walmart I heard. Thats crazym
You heard wrong. No where in the US can you buy automatic weapons without a special license and registration. Fully automatic weapons are not available from Walmart or 7-11 or almost any retail outlet and as I said, not without a pretty hefty license and full Federal background check.

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Percy
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Message 310 of 1184 (840453)
09-30-2018 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by jar
09-29-2018 6:59 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
jar writes:
I am not all the people with guns in their nightstands Percy. Sorry but I thought you knew that.
Thank you for bragging about how great you are with guns, but however great your inflated opinions of yourself make you feel they have no relevance to the dangers of guns. Even if true, that one guy in Texas can carry guns safely (however unlikely that is) is a drop in the bucket of the national problem of guns.
Yet you have not presented any evidence that my own gun might do someone harm.
Is it impossible for your guns to discharge and harm someone? Is it impossible for a gun to be taken from you? Is it impossible that you would ever be overcome by sadness, depression, insanity, etc? Is it impossible one of your guns could malfunction? Is it impossible you would ever misjudge a situation and harm an innocent person?
And what is the point of carrying a gun if it's impossible it could ever do someone harm?
Are you perfect? You actually provided an answer to that question in Message 301:
jar in Message 301 writes:
Am I perfect?
Nope.
Carrying your guns in public is a danger to yourself and everyone around you.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 311 of 1184 (840454)
09-30-2018 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 310 by Percy
09-30-2018 9:17 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
The debate between you and jar encapsulates the national gun debate succinctly. One side believes that the laws reflect the will of the people and that we should have a right (an earned right) to bear arms responsibly whereas the other side believes that the laws should be changed and that guns...specifically handguns and automatic weapons...should be made illegal. Neither of you will change your opinion. The debate is not (nor should be) a personal issue as none of us here believe that jar is a threat to anybody yet Percy insists that the guns themselves are a threat. Until and unless the laws change, this will always be true. jar may believe that since HE is responsible for those guns that his at least will never be a threat. Thus you both disagree.

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Percy
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Message 312 of 1184 (840456)
09-30-2018 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by Phat
09-30-2018 9:34 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Phat writes:
The debate between you and jar encapsulates the national gun debate succinctly.
I don't think that's true. It could only be true if gun advocates in the national gun debate also ignore arguments that touch on facts, and also think their personal opinions of their gun skills are relevant to what national statistics say about the gun problem.
One side believes that the laws reflect the will of the people and that we should have a right (an earned right)...
An earned right? How? To get a driver's license you need to receive training and pass a test. What are people who bear arms required to do to earn that right? Right now any adult who decides they need a gun can go down to Walmart and buy a gun despite having no training or expertise nor any proof that they have proper and separate storage for both guns and ammunition. That adult did nothing to earn the right to own that gun.
...to bear arms responsibly whereas the other side believes that the laws should be changed and that guns...specifically handguns and automatic weapons...should be made illegal.
I think the main issue is that one side refuses to acknowledge the inherent dangers of firearms. For just a single but extreme example see Shooting of Charles Vacca, an incident where an expert instructor at a shooting range was killed while instructing a nine year old girl how to fire an Uzi.
Neither of you will change your opinion.
That firearms are inherently dangerous is a fact, not an opinion.
The debate is not (nor should be) a personal issue as none of us here believe that jar is a threat to anybody yet...
Jar introduced himself into the discussion. That was his decision. It has been repeatedly pointed out to him that his personal opinions about himself aren't relevant. You'd have to ask him why he thought it appropriate to describe the details of his gun strolls about town in this thread.
Percy insists that the guns themselves are a threat.
Guns aren't dangerous because of anything I say. It's just a fact.
Until and unless the laws change, this will always be true.
Independent of gun laws, guns are still dangerous. Laws can't change that. What laws can change is how much damage our society suffers at the hands of that danger.
jar may believe that since HE is responsible for those guns that his at least will never be a threat.
One of the most common human qualities is an overinflated opinion of our own talents. As a well known boxer said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." That is, Jar might think he's got all possibilities accounted for as well as being able to handle them, but he's fooling himself.
Thus you both disagree.
Of course we disagree. One side is blind to realities because they like guns so much, the other side is paying attention to the facts.
--Percy

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Tangle
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Message 313 of 1184 (840457)
09-30-2018 1:45 PM


I had to nip out to the supermarket this evening so I grabbed my wallet, phone, car keys and a bag and left. When I got there I looked for the stuff I needed, paid and came home.
I tried to imagine Jar's journey.
Open gun safe, select favourite weapons for the evening, load both, check safety. Select spare ammo and clips and stash. Strap on holsters, load up, check secure. Which dagger for Walmart? Maybe the stilletto, slip it into sock. Glance in mirror, mutter 'I'll be back' and swagger out of the house having set the intruder alarms.
Got to be careful now, everyone is a potential threat. Check out the young guy near the beans, he's looking dodgy. Pat the 45, just to check it's ready. Check lines of sight, don't get stuck with no escape route. The till area is particularly dangerous; no free hand when handling wallet and only way out is forward, need to get through there quickly. Don't forget the boy behind you.
Car park looks clear, head to the car keeping close to parked cars, avoiding open areas as much as possible. Nothing to be done about a sniper on the roof to the right but why make it easier than it has to be? Check under car for magnetic device then drive out keeping an eye in the mirror for anyone following.
Everything looks normal from the drive but you never can tell; patrol the perimeter and cautiously enter home from rear using remote to turn off alarm. Lock all four deadlocks. And relax. Pizza for dinner.
Must be bloody exhausting.

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Message 314 of 1184 (840458)
09-30-2018 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Tangle
09-30-2018 1:45 PM


Tangle writes:
Must be bloody exhausting.
Life is exhausting. That's why we sleep a third of it away.
In Canada, we don't "nip" or flit but we have a long checklist of things to do before we leave the house: check the weather, decide on what shoes or boots to wear, decide on raincoat, parka, etc., how many sweaters, etc., hats, scarves, gloves, etc., make sure there's somebody watching the kids, make sure the dog doesn't have to go out, in summer put on sunscreen and bug repellant, in winter, make sure the car has been plugged in over night, make sure the driveway is clear of snow, check the on-board survival kit, hope the car starts, figure out what to do if it doesn't....
I don't think a couple of weapons would add much proportionately to the ritual. Mind you, you would have to keep ithem somewhere accessible. Also mind you, in 66 years I've only seen one handgun in civilian hands.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 315 of 1184 (840463)
09-30-2018 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Percy
09-30-2018 9:17 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Percy writes:
Thank you for bragging about how great you are with guns, but however great your inflated opinions of yourself make you feel they have no relevance to the dangers of guns. Even if true, that one guy in Texas can carry guns safely (however unlikely that is) is a drop in the bucket of the national problem of guns.
You really need to stop posting really stupid comments Percy. I have not bragged about how great I am with guns.
And yes, I have never said that it has any relationship to any problems in general in the US.
Now do you have anything related to what I have posted?
Percy writes:
Is it impossible for your guns to discharge and harm someone? Is it impossible for a gun to be taken from you? Is it impossible that you would ever be overcome by sadness, depression, insanity, etc? Is it impossible one of your guns could malfunction? Is it impossible you would ever misjudge a situation and harm an innocent person?
And what is the point of carrying a gun if it's impossible it could ever do someone harm?
It serves the same function as my car, it is something that provides comfort and protection to me.
Someone c ould steal my car and cause harm to someone else. Someone could steal my shoe and cause harm to someone else.
And the malfunction possible with a gun is that it does NOT fire.
And I train to try to make sure I do NOT harm an innocent person.

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Message 316 of 1184 (840465)
09-30-2018 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by jar
09-30-2018 8:27 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi jar,
jar writes:
I really have no respect for that position and argument. In hunting there is an intent to kill but only in hunting. In self defense my intention is and would never be to kill but only to stop a distinct and immediate threat.
I thought from your conversations that you had professional training in self defense. I don't know of a professional that teaches shoot to wound a person who is pointing a gun at you.
But my first encounters with guns was a single shot 22 rifle which I killed my first deer with when I was 7 years old. I still have that rifle.
I hunted with all kinds of guns from a 22 pistol to a 10 ga. shotgun. Including a 30 30, 30 06, and 308 rifle.
I was introduced to military weapons at 17 and was very proficient in their use. I was taught to shoot to kill. I was good enough on the rifle range that I was trained to use the 308 sniper rifle and I am glad I did not get deployed to Korea where I would have had to use the skill acquired with that weapon. It does not compare with what is used today but it was the best we had then.
But I will assure you if someone pulled a gun in my presence threating my life or someone else's and I had a shot I would make a head shot. The reason for the head shot is I don't know what kind of armor he/she might have on to protect them and if you shot a leg you would probably get shot.
But you keep any philosophy you desire as it may be your life or someone else's life that hangs in the balance of your decision that you have less than 1/2 second to make. In other words if you have to think about what to do you will be dead. It has to be reflex action.
Better yet I pray that neither of us ever have to make such a decision.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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