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Faith 
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Message 208 of 277 (837186)
07-28-2018 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by ringo
07-28-2018 11:55 AM


Re: the problem
You've already shown us what causes the political chasm. It's people who will not be moved no matter what. The rest of the world can not move forward without moving away from them.
One shouldn't move from the right position, and if progress means getting progressively wronger and wronger, which is the case on the Left, there is no hope for the country.

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Message 211 of 277 (837195)
07-28-2018 1:01 PM
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07-28-2018 12:29 PM


Re: the problem
There was a time when it was considered civilized to treat another's very different opinion with some respect. But the world has been getting less civilized by the minute it seems lately.

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Message 216 of 277 (837209)
07-28-2018 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by NoNukes
07-28-2018 1:44 PM


Re: the problem
Spewing out things like "Liberal Nazi" surely aren't examples of civilized discussion. You are not here to debate or discuss. You are here to state your position and then complain about not having your words accepted as truth.
I'm not saying I'm innocent, I'm just pointing to obvious infractions. But also here I am in the midst of nothing but leftist voices slamming Trump in every possible way as well as his supporters, and most of the stuff is Liberal Nazi stuff. AND I didn't say I want everything I say "accepted as truth" although that would certainly be appropriate in many cases, just treated as a reasonable opinion that represents Trump supporters. Instead it's just one slam after another.

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Message 217 of 277 (837210)
07-28-2018 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Chiroptera
07-28-2018 1:47 PM


Re: the problem
But saying that Trump could come shoot their children is just off the wall; no discussion is possible after that kind of comment.

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Message 222 of 277 (837215)
07-28-2018 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Chiroptera
07-28-2018 3:00 PM


Re: the problem
I'd say that's a typical leftist paranoid fantasy about Trump that shows just how gaping the chasm is.

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Message 223 of 277 (837216)
07-28-2018 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by JonF
07-28-2018 3:02 PM


Re: the problem
It is very clear that the fascist impulse is coming from the Left rather than the right these days. Reagan said it would and he was right. And I just heard a book read written fifteen years ago that described cultural trends that were leading to leftist fascism even then.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan

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Faith 
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Message 226 of 277 (837224)
07-28-2018 8:43 PM
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07-28-2018 3:22 PM


fascism
Fascism - Wikipedia
Fascism - Wikipedia
Fascism (/ˈfʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
For "ultranationalism" read One World Order and you've got Liberal Fascism.
By the way, I mentioned somewhere recently, oh I think on the End Times Prophecy thread -- HERE: Message 292 -- that architecture and art in our government buildings displays a surprising influence from pagan Rome and Greece, mostly Rome. The painting of Washington in the dome of the Capitol building presents him as a god among the Roman gods. How weird is that? I'm not sure where but somewhere in all that Roman stuff there is an image of the fasces, which is defined as follows:
fasces
ˈfasz/
nounhistorical
plural noun: fasces; noun: fascis
(in ancient Rome) a bundle of rods with a projecting ax blade, carried by a lictor as a symbol of a magistrate's power, and used as an emblem of authority in Fascist Italy.
All this is completely at odds with the guiding principles of this nation, whether from the Enlightenment or Protestant Christianity and certainly ought to raise questions how it all got there and who was behind it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 227 of 277 (837225)
07-28-2018 8:46 PM
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07-28-2018 3:28 PM


Re: the problem
That policy came from other sources than Trump as a way of dealing with ililegal immigrants.

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Message 229 of 277 (837228)
07-28-2018 9:00 PM
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07-28-2018 8:53 PM


Re: fascism
One World Order is the absolute epitome of totalitarian government, oppression, dictatorship and authoritarian control.

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Faith 
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Message 230 of 277 (837229)
07-28-2018 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
07-28-2018 9:00 PM


Re: fascism
Speaking of the One World Order this message keeps being sent to my blog, about how I'm obligated to obey a European Union law about having cookies on one's blog, which I don't have as far as I know:
European Union laws require you to give European Union visitors information about cookies used and data collected on your blog. In many cases, these laws also require you to obtain consent.
As a courtesy, we have added a notice on your blog to explain Google's use of certain Blogger and Google cookies, including use of Google Analytics and AdSense cookies, and other data collected by Google.
You are responsible for confirming this notice actually works for your blog, and that it displays. If you employ other cookies, for example by adding third party features, this notice may not work for you. If you include functionality from other providers there may be extra information collected from your users.
Learn more about this notice and your responsibilities.
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All I know is that whatever Google has done to my blogs has made it impossible for me to read comments or even navigate behind the scenes in many ways as I used to, which has led me to more or less abandon them, though I saw this message again because I did want to write a couple of new posts.
As for the EU law, how is an American citizen now being asked to obey the law of a foreign entity?
I'd be happy to send them a box of cookies of course.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 235 of 277 (837252)
07-29-2018 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Percy
07-29-2018 11:33 AM


Re: the problem
No, you are not just giving facts; your whole method is to twist what Trump says into something else, something sleazy of course (he doesn't care about feasibility, only appealing to his base; it's really about making America "white" again, and it's all about making himself rich etc). As long as this is your method and you deny the way his supporters see it, you are only alienating honest people and there is no closing of the political chasm possible.
Foreign leaders wouldn't dare have the opinions they have if there weren't so many leftist Americans trying to pull him down.
There's nothing racist about anything Trump is proposing, that's just the usual Marxist Political Correctness designed to trash the man as I said, and as long as you continue to twist everything he says you will continue to alienate the rest of us.
All your analyses of him are the usual character assassination. If you wanted to talk policies you;d have to do it fairly and neutrally, but I'm afraid you are so committed to leftist tactics that isn't possible.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 238 of 277 (837269)
07-29-2018 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by ringo
07-29-2018 4:39 PM


Re: the problem
Of course we aren't going to budge on the twisting of his words and the fake news reports. It's the left that has to give on those things.

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Faith 
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Message 240 of 277 (837273)
07-29-2018 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by jar
07-29-2018 7:06 PM


Re: the problem
I referred to three instances of it from Percy's message in my post.

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Faith 
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Message 242 of 277 (837276)
07-29-2018 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by jar
07-29-2018 8:29 PM


Re: the problem
I listed these three distortions of Trump's and his supporters' views:
... your whole method is to twist what Trump says into something else, something sleazy of course
  • (he doesn't care about feasibility, only appealing to his base;
  • it's really about making America "white" again,
  • and it's all about making himself rich etc
This is character assassination, typical of the left and only too familiar at EvC.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 245 of 277 (837279)
07-29-2018 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by NoNukes
07-29-2018 8:55 PM


Re: the problem
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR TWISTING A PERSON'S WORDS. THAT IS LYING PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

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