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Author Topic:   Will The Real God Please Stand Up?
ringo
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Message 267 of 364 (829352)
03-06-2018 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Phat
03-06-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Just So
Phat writes:
He does have good credentials!
quote:
Athanasius is counted as one of the four great Eastern Doctors of the Church in the Roman Catholic Church.[3] In the Eastern Orthodox Church, he is labeled as the "Father of Orthodoxy". Some Protestants label him as "Father of the Canon". Athanasius is venerated as a Christian saint, whose feast day is 2 May in Western Christianity, 15 May in the Coptic Orthodox Church, and 18 January in the other Eastern Orthodox Churches. He is venerated by the Oriental and Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Roman Catholic Church, the Lutherans, and the Anglican Communion.
I don't know if Faith would like those credentials. She seems to think "orthodox" means evangelical fundamentalist.
Point of trivia: There's a St. Athanasius Church a few blocks from where I'm sitting - Ukrainian Catholic.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 269 of 364 (829355)
03-06-2018 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Phat
03-06-2018 11:49 AM


Re: Committee Still In Session Eleven Years Later
Phat writes:
Perhaps "She" has tried numerous times and yet you reject any hint of authenticity due to lack of evidence.
How can my rejection trump God?
If I refuse to believe in rabbits, does that stop one from hopping across my lawn? Why is the God you imagine so much weaker than a rabbit?
Phat writes:
Your insistence on physical evidence may ultimately doom you to an eternity of waiting.
No. It's your God's refusal to provide evidence that dooms me to not see it.
Phat writes:
The least you could do is take the initiative to create a candidate of your own rather than seek to dismiss all contenders as if you owned the universe.
That's a silly thing to say. We're trying the suspects that we already have. I don't need to provide my own private suspect.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 272 of 364 (829359)
03-06-2018 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Phat
03-06-2018 12:01 PM


Re: Committee Still In Session Eleven Years Later
Phat writes:
I'm going with jars argument that even if GOD exists, humans basically create their own God. Thus, before you can dismiss one, you have to create/define them.
That's a copout. In this topic we're dealing with gods that have already been created, defined, described, etc. If all of them are found not guilty of being God, we can go out and look for more suspects.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 278 of 364 (829502)
03-08-2018 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Phat
03-07-2018 5:03 PM


Re: The Tower Of Google
Phat writes:
Im trying to describe how the Bible would be written in the modern era...
And you're doing the same thing that the authors of the Babel story did. You're portraying a God who's afraid of His own creation and has to make a pre-emptive strike to stop them from becoming too powerful.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 282 of 364 (829506)
03-08-2018 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Phat
03-08-2018 11:13 AM


Re: The Tower Of Google
Phat writes:
He simply intervenes to protect us from ourselves...
So again you're portraying a God who doesn't want His children to grow up. Does He need us to need Him?
Phat writes:
...it is collective humanity (under no authority save ourselves) who threatens to become too powerful.
To powerful for what?

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 284 of 364 (829508)
03-08-2018 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Phat
03-08-2018 12:04 PM


Re: The Tower Of Google
Phat writes:
He does not want us to simply grow up and have no need of Him. Reason? Humans are imperfect. We have a destructive flaw.
So why did He create us with a flaw?
Phat writes:
Too powerful for our own survival. Humanity without God will crash and burn.
As opposed to Him drowning all but eight of us? Our chances seem to be better on our own.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 289 of 364 (836128)
07-10-2018 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Phat
07-10-2018 4:41 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Phat writes:
... the One Who has a Son named Jesus is the only One who is able to relate.
What effort have you made to relate to the others? You keep asking me that about your God. Why don't you answer your own question about the other ones?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
We all have the same facts.
Not subjectively.
Facts are not subjective.
Phat writes:
I'm just challenging why some of you think that the facts are all in.
We're not saying the facts are all in. It's just the opposite. There aren't enough facts to draw the conclusions that you cling to.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 296 of 364 (836166)
07-11-2018 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by Faith
07-11-2018 2:55 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:
No other religion is even remotely like biblical Christianity.
I'd agree with you that most of them are more plausible than your version.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 308 of 364 (836210)
07-12-2018 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:
I made a point of showing that my parents were not Christians, because they did not believe anything Christians are supposed to believe.
Your idea of "anything Christians are supposed to believe" doesn't mean much. In the context of this discussion, the main thing that Christians are "supposed to believe" is that Christianity is The Right Religion. Whether most Americans are "practising Christians" or not, that is what they believe.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 312 of 364 (836215)
07-12-2018 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:32 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:
Sorry, Christianity is not just what people who know zip about it think it is.
Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. You know zip about Christianity, as evidenced by your inability to discuss it. You can parrot what the commentators say but we have no reason to believe you've ever actually thought about it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 315 of 364 (836223)
07-12-2018 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:45 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:
What you think doesn't matter to me but it does bother me that your nonsense could mislead others.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I only respond to you because your nonsense could mislead others.
And you usually prove my point (that you don't have a point) by running away.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 329 of 364 (836263)
07-13-2018 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 323 by Phat
07-13-2018 8:55 AM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Phat writes:
Is there more than one Jesus...
There was. At least, there were any number of itinerant preachers in Judea 2000 years ago. The Jesus character in the Bible is most likely based on an amalgamation of them.
Phat writes:
... if so, what does this mean for Club Christian?
Nothing at all, unless they pay attention to reality, which most of them don't. There is little connection between the "Jesus" of many Christian beliefs and the Jesus character in the Bible, which lends support to the idea that the religious aspects of "Jesus" are made up.
Edited by ringo, : "None" --> "Nothing"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 334 of 364 (836268)
07-13-2018 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Faith
07-13-2018 12:16 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:
I READ AQND STUDIED MY WAY TO MY BELIEF.
Self-education is not reliable. You study what interests you, not what you need to know. Confirmation bias is a huge danger.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 336 of 364 (836273)
07-13-2018 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by Faith
07-13-2018 12:36 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:
NO I DID NOT START OUT WITH ANY INCLINATION TOWARD ANY PARTICULAR RELIGION....
The way confirmation bias works is you don't know it's happening.
Faith writes:
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO STOP THINKING THEY KNOW BETTER THAN I DO HOW I BECAMNE A BELIEVER.
Jesus said:
quote:
Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
You're the worst judge of your own biases, not the best.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 518 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 339 of 364 (836277)
07-13-2018 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Faith
07-13-2018 1:07 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:
... allow me to suggest that you are swimming in confirmation bias with every word you utter, and so is everybody else here.
That's definitely true. We're all susceptible to confirmation bias as well as a host of other weaknesses. The difference is that we correct each other. If I'm wrong about something, there's no shortage of people on this forum who will point it out, whether we're on the same "side" or not. You, on the other hand, revel in being alone in your thinking. That's a cesspool for confirmation bias to grow in.
Faith writes:
Why pick on me because I'm a Christian?
I pick on you because you're wrong.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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