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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
jar writes: Browsing other threads, I can see faiths position summerized as follows:
Any conventional explanation is pretty much irrelevant to this thread. The point isHow do the FLUD do it?" Faith,in a montage writes: My views are based on observation of the physical world, including the view that there was no Jurassic time period or any other time period. The physical realities deducible from the the Geological Column say so...(...)Dating is all you have though, and it will eventually be shown to be full of error. Meanwhile the REASONABLE evidence is in favor of the Young Earth. The Geological Timescale with its time periods pretending that anything could have lived on a sea of wet sediment, or that evolution needs millions of years to produce a simple trilobite variation, is scientifically preposterous and is going to have to go.(...)You don't know how those formed either, but they look to me like they were formed by swirling water. (...)The early geologists made up stuff that was patently unbiblical among other things. And facts are facts, it doesn't take any special scientific principles to establish most facts.(...)Yeah my emotions do run away with me. The utterly stupid things people say against my arguments get to me. What difference could writing in all caps make when nothing I say gets the slightest fair hearing anyway?(...) The evidence supports creationism just as well as it can be made to support evolution. It's all a matter of interpretation.{...)I've never claimed more than a rudimentary understanding, but of course I claim to understand enough to make the arguments I make.(...)We're all subject to blindness to other ways of looking at something we've been convinced of.(...)Fossil order is a clever idea but it's not true, it's just the work of the fallen human mind.(...)Oh I may be wrong about this or that, but you certainly must be too, because although I'm sure you do honest geology you are unfortunately doing it without regard to the God who made it all. My guesses may miss some of the physical evidence of what God did, but at least I know He did it. Geology would be a very different enterprise if you acknowledged the Creator God. You know, examine all the evidence with the knowledge that it supports the biblical accounts. I am not saying that I think the way that Faith thinks, but I can understand her belief. You refer to it as a cult, but at least understand that her belief in Gods revelation is what drives her entire attempt at argumentation. I must say, after reading her replies to the lot of you, that she prays quite a lot for inspiration to carry on this argument, from Biology to Geology,and is one of the most tenacious debaters that I have ever observed. Basically, the first point is that God did it. Somehow. Some way.The second point is that what science calls evidence is simply an interpretation and ultimately a belief. This is why I requested your explanations for the pictures which you posted. Otherwise we will simply have another topic like Faiths other topics...where she argues relentlessly with you guys. That is not very educational, in my mind.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
she may argue that that's all you have also.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
First, we would have to agree that the only standard of acceptable proof allowed is, in fact, a model, method mechanism process and/or procedure.(s)
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
IIRC, you have argued against there even being a Biblical Great Flood.
In Describing what the Biblical Flood would be like. You and Faith cover your respective arguments quite thoroughly. I certainly don't intend to argue in favor of a global flood---perhaps faith will address your pictures and start a counter argument as to their likely origins and methods of formation. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
you are really obsessed with forcing believers into the ring of logic, reason, and reality....I doubt she will take the bait.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
This was interesting. Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard
The only reason it interested me was due to the fact that scientists were involved as was ABC News. You likely would label it as infotainment.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
ringo writes:
Ballard is looking for the origin of the Flood myth - i.e. evidence of A big flood, not a worldwide flood. Otherwise, he wouldn't have to go to Turkey to find it. A worldwide flood would leave evidence in his own backyard.jar writes: What is described is NOT a worldwide or even sudden event and no different than what is seen in coastal areas on both sides of the English Channel. It also has absolutely NOTHING to contribute to this topic. I would respectfully disagree. You cant expect everyone (or perhaps anyone) to adhere strictly to your criteria of a model, method or means scenario. Granted the Bay Of Fundy is irrelevant. Any good topic has controversy. Otherwise, this topic will sit here in limbo with under 40 posts, gathering dust in the archives.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
You have provided some solid arguments that indicate that a Biblical Great Flood---at least of the global variety---never happened.
One of my favorite ones that you ever made was this one:
quote: A couple of questions:
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
But I see no way that a Flood could do that.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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