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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
This was interesting. Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard
The only reason it interested me was due to the fact that scientists were involved as was ABC News. You likely would label it as infotainment.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, I would label it as nonsense and utter misrepresentation of what the Bible says and so of interest only to the willfully ignorant.
What is describes is NOT a world-wide or even sudden event and no different than what is seen in coastal areas on both sides of the English Channel. It also has absolutely NOTHING to contribute to this topic.
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ringo Member (Idle past 670 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Ballard is looking for the origin of the Flood myth - i.e. evidence of A big flood, not a worldwide flood. Otherwise, he wouldn't have to go to Turkey to find it. A worldwide flood would leave evidence in his own back yard. This was interesting. Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert BallardAn honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Rrhain Member (Idle past 266 days) Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
quote: Not only the geological evidence of a flood but also the anthropological evidence. After all, multiple cultures were alive and leaving documentary evidence at the supposed time of the flood and none of them seem to have noticed that everybody died. There's a big pyramid in Egypt that was built before the supposed time of the flood and it doesn't have any water damage.
quote: But we know that isn't the case. Mt. Everest was not a hillock 4500 years ago. And there's still the problem of where did the water come from? There's only enough water in the atmosphere to cover the ground to an inch...which would then run off into the oceans and lakes and immediately leave dry land. There simply isn't enough water to cover the entire surface of the earth for days on end. How could there be? If there were, it would already be covered. Tidal sloshing might get you a few hours, but it isn't going to last. And then you need to explain where it went because if there's enough to cover the earth, it has nowhere to go.
quote: Releasing enough energy to literally melt the surface of the earth, boil off the oceans, and kill everything.
quote: Given what you've described? A barren wasteland with nothing alive on it. If you want to say it was all magic, then just say it was all magic. Not enough water? God magicked it into existence. Where did it go? God magicked it away. Geography making it topologically impossible? God magicked everything. The moment you try to bring physics into it, you have to explain why there are no remnants of the physics. But there's still the problem of the people. Cultures were thriving in Egypt, Asia, etc. and they show no interruption. You could try to push the flood back to pre-historic times, but that screws up the timeline with regard to human civilization. It'd be nice to see an explanation for that.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
If the land mass was all in one place and was relativity flat and you had that kind of rise of water the land mass would be covered in just a few hours. The tide would not go out the water would just rise until it reached 15 cubits above the highest point on the land mass. Why are the tides at the Bay of Fundy nearly unique, ICANT? Is it because Fundy is the only place on earth with a topology similar to the "land mass all in one place and relatively flat" scenario that you describe for the entire earth? Or is there some other reason? Hint: The explanation for the tides at the Bay of Fundy is readily available to anyone who bothers to look. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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jar Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And I looked again, and the Bay of Fundy is not among the now ten specific items awaiting an explanation of how the flud do dat?
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
ringo writes:
Ballard is looking for the origin of the Flood myth - i.e. evidence of A big flood, not a worldwide flood. Otherwise, he wouldn't have to go to Turkey to find it. A worldwide flood would leave evidence in his own backyard.jar writes: What is described is NOT a worldwide or even sudden event and no different than what is seen in coastal areas on both sides of the English Channel. It also has absolutely NOTHING to contribute to this topic. I would respectfully disagree. You cant expect everyone (or perhaps anyone) to adhere strictly to your criteria of a model, method or means scenario. Granted the Bay Of Fundy is irrelevant. Any good topic has controversy. Otherwise, this topic will sit here in limbo with under 40 posts, gathering dust in the archives.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Otherwise, this topic will sit here in limbo with under 40 posts, gathering dust in the archives. Which is fine. It will stand as solid evidence that no one can support the reality of either Biblical Flood myth. And I will point to it anytime anyone tries to assert that the Biblical Flood has any place in reality.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Which is fine. It will stand as solid evidence that no one can support the reality of either Biblical Flood myth. In particular, the Bay of Fundy portion of this thread is evidence of the inane stuff that some folks will say. I don't really know that it is necessary for the Bay of Fundy to have a Flood explanation. Surely even if there was a worldwide Flood 4500 years ago, some geological and topological features of the earth could have other explanations. But I do know that the Flood as described in Genesis does not have a "Bay of Fundy" explanation. Isn't the Flood a Noun? How did Moses manage to write about that anyway? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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jar Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's the basic dishonesty that forms the basis of so much of Christianity today; the basics of Apologetics; palm the pea, con the rubes, misdirect attention, move the goal posts, throw shit and see what sticks.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 286 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi NoNukes
NoNukes writes: Why are the tides at the Bay of Fundy nearly unique, ICANT? Is it because Fundy is the only place on earth with a topology similar to the "land mass all in one place and relatively flat" scenario that you describe for the entire earth? Or is there some other reason? Hint: The explanation for the tides at the Bay of Fundy is readily available to anyone who bothers to look. My mentioning of the rise and fall of the water at the Bay of Fundy is for visual content only. The tide rises and falls and has been doing so for a very,very,very long time. It has not destroyed the landscape. I have personally viewed the rise and fall of the tide back in the 50's and it is a beautiful sight to behold. For the water to rise 53 feet in 6 hours it has to rise 8 feet and 10 inches per hour. Which is a little over 1 3/4 inches per minute. That means it rises 1 foot every 6.85 minutes. The exact opposite is required for the water to decrease 53 feet in 6 hours. My observation that I could not tell the difference in the landscape between before and after the rise and fall of the water, I concluded it did not do much damage due to the change in the depth of the water. The Bible says the water was all in one place which leads me to believe all the land was in one place. In fact science confirms for me that the land mass was a supercontinent in the past. My hypothesis then is: Providing that all the dry land mass was in one place and was relatively flat as was believed in the past. Water could have rose to cover that land mass and receded without leaving much of a trace. According to what happens twice daily at the Bay of Fundy. Then if the land mass was divided into the configuration we have today that division would have erased all evidence for such an event.Yet we do have evidence that mountains as well as in valleys have been covered with water in the past. We know this because we find sea shells in and on the mountains and in the valleys. My conclusions are that in the past there was one land mass surrounded by water. That land mass was covered with water for a short period of time. That land mass was divided into the configuration we have today. I think science concurs with my notion. It is believed by some scientist that at one time 95% of the surface of the earth was covered with water leaving a small dry land mass. This dry land mass of 5% was increased to the present 30% dry land mass that we have today .https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/02/020208075438.htm God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 670 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Yes it has.
The tide rises and falls and has been doing so for a very,very,very long time. It has not destroyed the landscape.quote: An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And once again your post has nothing to do with the topic and is just another example of you trying to palm the pea, con the rubes, move the goal post, misdirect attention and in general dishonesty and deceit.
If you have nothing related to the topic to post then please take your nonsense to some other thread. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
My mentioning of the rise and fall of the water at the Bay of Fundy is for visual content only. That statement means nothing.
The tide rises and falls and has been doing so for a very,very,very long time. It has not destroyed the landscape. Really? What did the landscape look like before ICANT? Are you even trying here? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
You have provided some solid arguments that indicate that a Biblical Great Flood---at least of the global variety---never happened.
One of my favorite ones that you ever made was this one:
quote: A couple of questions:
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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