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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: If it can be proved from physical evidence then it isn't religion, it doesn't matter that it started from the Bible. Proving it from the physical evidence is what I'm trying to do, and of course I think I'm doing a pretty good job. If a candidate for office campaigned hard but got zero votes, which is what you've accomplished here, do you think she'd be justified in concluding she had done a pretty good job?
Please do not address posts to me that you mean for somebody else, just as a way to insult me. Very little would be said about you if you didn't keep making absurd claims about yourself, such as how brilliant you are and what a great job you're doing, and if you didn't keep casting insults at the concepts and evidence presented to you, such as that they're mere illusions or paradigm dependent interpretations or mental cobwebs. Focus on facts and arguments.
I don't know if you succeeded in demonstrating anything about flat planar features to anybody else, but you did manage to mystify and insult me so I guess you can congratulate yourself. If you don't understand something then ask questions and discuss details. It is because you instead express incredulity and are hostile to information and explanations that Edge said he didn't think you'd understand, and that he thought what your doing is religion, not science. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
None of those pictures helps one bit to convince me such a landscape would ever in a million years become a flat slab of rock of the sort seen in the geologic/stratigraphic column(s). Like your many pictures of "flat" fields. I don't understand how anyone could entertain such an idea.
As for the diagram I did comment on it finally after finally getting that it's the deep areas of "erosion" I was supposed to notice. At first it looked like my own diagram of how strata should look if there ever was erosion on the surface, but more attention to it convinced me that those sunken areas are more likely the effect of the many limestone type rocks and the salt in the layers, both being soluble and affecting layers after they were laid down. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The beach images are also a great example of weathering and erosion creating flat level surfaces.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't need to convince diehard evolutionists in order to know if I've done a good job or not. As I've many times pointed out, to deaf ears of course, the historical sciences CANNOT BE PROVEN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. It's all speculation, theory, imagination that becomes accepted but can't be proved. I think I've made a good case.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've already shown that chimps and humans do not have the same body plan. Dogs and cats have more similar body plans but it is their body plans that make them dogs or cats nevertheless, flexible versus rigid skeleton for starters. And the body plans of chumps and humans are far more different than those of dogs and cats. Chimp has flattened face, hunched posture, commonly walks on all fours, big chest, heavy musculature, long arms that drag on the ground, short legs, hands for feet, there is no comparison with the human body type.
I'm not sure the coyote and the grey wolf ARE different "species," but that word is awfully plastic. I believe they should be classified as the same Kind. And as I also pointed out, probably in a post you haven't yet read, the trilobite basic shape is even evident in those two different varieties. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1140 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
One important detail to note is that the layers above the eroded channels in the column are level. If the channels were due to salt or limestone dissolving after the layers were deposited, the layers above would have sagged.
The only way I can think of having channels in the buried layers with level layers above is to erode the channels then add layers above.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I've already shown that chimps and humans do not have the same body plan. No. As a matter of fact, you did not do that. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And that too can be seen in the beach picture; with sand being deposited and covering and filling in the spaces between the ridges.
Edited by jar, : fix tense
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Yeah, Ellen, that was autocorrect. She was the founder and leader of a small fringe Christian sect.
But the fact remains that "modern" YEC dates to the mid nineteenth century. And is still running on the knowledge of the eighteenth century and earlier. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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She didn't even try. She will never learn that insulting an idea is not discussing or refuting it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's pretty much the same thing. Both ideas rely on something changing magically after the flood. I now explain the great genetic diversity before the Flood and therefore in the saved creatures on the ark, as due to the much less junk DNA, probably almost none, and therefore a lot more functioning genes. But the question remains: Why didn't the trilobites survive the Flood?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Like Trump, everything you do is the best that has ever been done, even when it's an abject failure. Reality be damned. And not only are you an amazing success but you also know who to blame for your failure. I don't need to convince diehard evolutionists in order to know if I've done a good job or not.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nothing changed genetically after the Flood, what are you talking about?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't take credit for a lot of my ideas. I pray and God shows me things. And I've also never claimed not to make mistakes, I've made tons of them. But I also know I've done a basically good job of putting together the arguments for the Flood.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
In Message 2623 you said:
Nothing changed genetically after the Flood, what are you talking about?quote:So less junk DNA then, more junk DNA now. More functioning genes then, less functioning genes now. How is that not a change? And why didn't the trilobites survive the Flood?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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