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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
And if you don't know, you're agnostic. Equally simple. If you don't believe in god(s), then you're an atheist. It's very simple. If you don't know whether you believe or not, it becomes less simple. Am I an atheist or a deist? I don't know. Is there such a thing as an adeist in your pantheon of stances?
Tangle writes:
Well, if you can't address the dumb arguments - which you regularly can't - how are you going to address the smart ones?
... you just regularly say dumb things purely for arguments sake.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
Feel free to run away when you can't refute the obvious.
ringo writes:
Wrong, but I'm not starting that again here. And if you don't know, you're agnostic. Equally simple.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Stile writes:
But we do find Santa Claus. We find him so ubiquitously that the only rational position is to by a polysantaclausist.
If we have reports on where something should be, how it should act... and we check those places and the consequences we should find, and nothing is ever found... over and over and over...
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Noah had to build his own ark.
My only critique of such a philosophy is that it raises humans to a responsible level of being fully responsible for our own survival...
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No he wasn't.
Consider that Noah... was ridiculed for his efforts. Phat writes:
Yes he did. He had to build his own ark to survive. Otherwise, he would have drowned along with everybody else. He didn't have to do anything! Why should you be any different?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The question was, "Why should you be treated differently from Noah?" Why should you be wafted miraculously above the flood while Noah had to build his own ark? Although I suppose you could argue that all of us should have equal rights. You complained about atheism making us responsible for our own survival. That's just reality. Even your own Bible disagrees with you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The name of this site is "Creation versus Evolution". It exists because some people are trying to replace science with religion in our schools. So yes, religion is dangerous. Like some other diseases, we may not be able to eradicate it but it seems reasonable that we should do our best to minimize its ill effects.
This whole militant thing seems a waste of energy.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
~1.6 writes:
My brush is much narrower than theirs. You paint with a broad brush sir.The soviet union thought the same thing about religion in that they wanted to eradicate it and minimize it's ill effects. An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AlexCaledin writes:
Why would we need to know where we are in the multiverse? It isn't like we can't get everything we need right here. In fact, we know a lot more than we need to know about the neighbourhood. ... on a tiny planet hopelessly lost in the multiverse....An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What's arrogant is thinking you know anything about God.
Alex is just pointing out how arrogant people are being so small and claiming to have no need for a Creator. God is like oxygen...you wont even miss Him until you need Him. Phat writes:
How does God help the victims? There are no atheists in locked school classrooms during crazy shootings.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But you said, "There are no atheists in locked school classrooms during crazy shootings." Why would they not be atheists? Are they hoping God will save them? It seems to me that in a bad situation people are more likely to realize that there is no external help - i.e. no God. We won't know that answer until we ourselves die.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You keep saying that. Demonstrate that you're right by choosing to believe in Santa Claus.
Because they chose at some point in their lives to be believers. Phat writes:
So you're saying that people locked in a room with a homicidal maniac will suddenly choose to believe in God? You said there would be no atheists in such a situation.
ringo writes:
Yes. Are they hoping God will save them? Phat writes:
We're not talking about believers switching boats. We're talking about unbelievers switching boats.
Believers dont simply switch boats in the middle of the stream when the rapids approach. Phat writes:
That's what's known as grasping at straws. My claim is that in a situation where one might lose their life, many at that moment will buy the product.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The absence of God becomes a reality too. In the locked room, the evidence changes. Death becomes more of a reality.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AlexCaledin writes:
By the way, if you want to reply to a specific message, there's a little "reply" button in the lower right-hand corner of each message, right beside the "peek" button. If you use that one instead of the big "Gen Reply" button at the bottom of the page, people can tell who you're talking to and what you're referring to. Ahteists....An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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