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Author Topic:   Trilobite, Eyewitness to Evolution
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Message 11 of 25 (828432)
02-17-2018 5:46 PM
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02-17-2018 1:19 PM


Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Well well well...hello Alex. I agree with you that humans can be vain at times...they want to try and do everything themselves and think they will succeed without God...which I agree is vain. In science, however, they must have a go of it alone. It is not as if they can simply pray before conducting each experiment now is it?
Why not? There is no success without God, what a strange idea. God rules science just as He rules the whole universe and every thing science studies. He knows the answers to all the questions, and if fallen humanity comes up with answers that disagree with Him, He's not the one who is wrong. Prayer for understanding of whatever science project you are engaged in would save you a lot of mistakes.
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Message 13 of 25 (828438)
02-17-2018 7:41 PM
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02-17-2018 7:19 PM


Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Oh come on. Of course you study, the prayer simply guides and refines your study. I'm not talking about prayer for some kind of arcane knowledge out of the blue, I'm talking about studying with God's guidance.

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Message 15 of 25 (828442)
02-17-2018 7:59 PM
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Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Since God created everything, by your reasoning nobody should ever get any of it wrong, but we get things wrong all the time and the history of science certainly shows that. No, I'm talking about literally asking God to guide our understanding. In my experience it makes a big difference.

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Message 18 of 25 (828445)
02-17-2018 9:39 PM
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02-17-2018 9:04 PM


Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Your idea of where I'm wrong is of course where I disagree with the establishment view, and your idea of my "learning something" is of course to come to agree with the establishment view. I don't know what book you are talking about* but I've read plenty of books. God works on the knowledge we have, and if that knowledge is wrong, which a lot of it is on the establishment side as well as the creationist side, God is happy to show us if we ask. He can't correct everything at once, not because of any deficiency in Him, but because of our limited minds, so errors are going to remain.
*Sorry, you mean the book about trilobites. I'm sure it has a lot of interesting information about trilobites that I COULD learn from, but I'm also sure that they don't prove evolution at all, they are merely subsumed under evolution as everything else is. Their changes from supposed time period to time period are on the order of everyday microevolution that occurs quite rapidly, within observable time frames. Millions of years is a ridiculous assumption based on the ToE.
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Message 20 of 25 (828447)
02-17-2018 10:40 PM
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02-17-2018 9:59 PM


Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
The thing is the debate about evolution vs creationism is mostly about how the evidence is interpreted. Both sides point to the same evidence in many cases. I look at the diagrams that show the different kinds of trilobites placed in the fossil record and I see microevolution because of my understanding of the degree of change normal to microevolution; evolution sees millions of years and macroevolution because of other factors that have accumulated around the fossil record, Old Earth, and the other sciences you mention etc.
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Message 22 of 25 (828451)
02-18-2018 12:53 AM
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02-18-2018 12:04 AM


Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Logical point, but I disagree. I do not think the evidence on the evolution side is all that good, I think I've answered a lot of it over time myself, it's just the accumulation of opinion that convinces people, or even just the habit of accepting it, not the actual merit of the evidence.
For instance I think the idea that it could have been millions of years between two different kinds of trilobites is is nonsensical, but it would take more energy to make the case than I want to try to muster right now.I think the whole idea that you could get from the reptile ear to the mammalian ear is also nonsensical. The necessary increments of change, the multiple trial variations that would have to have occurred are actually simply impossible even if you had thirty billion years. But that is a problem for evolution in general, not any particular comparison of fossils in the fossil record.
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Message 24 of 25 (828453)
02-18-2018 8:38 AM
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02-18-2018 2:05 AM


Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Ya know, there's no point in reading a book on trilobites as far as the debate goes, though it may be interesting in itself. I'd just have to read around the evolutionist assumptions since I don't have any ambition any more to waste my breath on arguing to deaf ears. I've spelled out my arguments so many times I'm tired. So what? It's usually a side issue in a thread anyway. I'm challenged or asked questions so I answer them briefly so at least my view is sketched out, and that's all I'm up to. Nobody ever gives them a fair read anyway so why make the effort to think them through for the umpteenth time? I'll save them for a more concerted presentation at a later time and probably somewhere else. But somebody else might see the logic of it even if I don't spell it out. Not too likely I must admit, in this atmosphere which is so beautifully represented by you in this post, but you never know. Abusive ad hominems are SO EvC.
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