Creation

No we don't.

Well Genesis does say the stars were put in something.

Well all honest people know that the Bible stories themselves are evidence that they are not true.There are two mutually exclusive creation myths; the God character in each is different, the order is different, the method of creation is different and both are overwhelmingly refuted by reality.

[qs=jar]Well all honest people know that the Bible stories themselves are evidence that they are not true.[qs] Absurdly false. Old wives tale. By Gen 2 it was over and done. Finished. What it covers was no order.

A mere unsupported assertion, which is all you have ever provided, is just juvenile "nah-nah" tactics common to creationist nonsense. Unfortunately, the reality is that the Bible stories are filled with absurdities, contradictions and simply false statements. Again, you are simply showing your rather typical utter ignorance of the Bible, all too common within the Christian Cult of Ignorance.Genesis 2&3 are the far older stories while Genesis 1 was written much later and by an entirely different Hebrew tradition. That the far younger story is placed before the much older tale found in Genesis 2&3 is simply more evidence that the Bible is a creation of man, not God. It also helps explain the two entirely different Gods; the somewhat bumbling not all that smart, hands on learning on the job and not all that honest God of Genesis 2&3 that is friendly, approachable and personable but also fearful versus the extremely competent, decisive God of the newer Genesis 1 tale that is aloof, separate and that has no contact whatsoever with the created.

We do, even if you don't. We (humans) know how to split an atom even if you (personally) do not.We don't have to go beyond page 1 of the Bible to find mistakes. You might be able to jump through enough hoops to convince yourself that it's still "true" but you'll find it hard to drag everybody else through the hoops with you.

It says they were in the "firmament". Note the root word "firm". The Hebrews thought of it as a solid dome over the earth. It has nothing to do with what we call "space".

Hi Mod, Sorry for taking so long to get back to this.The program had received an update that included a bunch of erroneous information. This information had to be purged and restored to the old version and I have finally got it back to where it should be.Strong #1507 εἱλίσσω does not appear in the original text regardless of what any program or anyone says it means.I find no definition for this word.Strong #1667 ελίσσωThis Greek word I find a definition for it. To roll up, to coil, roll, rolled.είλισσόμενον does appear in the original text.I find no strong's # for this word nor do I find a definition. It is used in the Textus Receptus, Morphological Greek New Testament, and the Septuagint 1 time in each. So far I haven't found it in early Greek literature. It makes no difference what anyone says εἱλίσσω is not in the Greek Text.God Bless,

Hi DOCJ,
Welcome to the fray. Don't you know science does not have to have any basis for anything?All you need is an assumption that the universe that existed at the point you mentioned and did not exist 1 billionth of a second earlier by some miracle began to exist. Then it began to expand into itself as there is nothing outside of that little pea sized thing that existed, and nothing exists outside of it still.That sounds just as believable as a lot of the things YEC'S post.God Bless,

Hi creation, No there is no sun mentioned in the scripture and none needed to cause the universe to melt.Scientist is the ones who think the sun is going to melt the earth not the universe.The only Scientist who believe the universe is going to melt is those who believe in some version of the bounce theory. That sounds just as plausible as what they have told me. Why would Peter mean just the earth and refer to the heavens and the earth?That is the same phrase as found in Genesis 1:1 when they were created.When sin entered into the universe everything in it was un-pure. It all must be purified by fire and a new heaven and a new earth created for Revelation 21:1 to be true. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The Hebrew word that is translated created is a verb 1ps perfect.The Hebrew language in which the Bible was written had no tenses. It only had verbs of action. They were either perfect (completed action) or imperfect (incomplete action)Because a perfect verb was used the heavens and the earth and everything in existence in it began to exist in the first light period that ended with the darkness created that covered the earth as found in Genesis 1:2. Other that the things created in the other 2 creation events.Event 2 Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales", nothing else in this verse is created as it was call forth in verse 20.Event 3 Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."Now if you can show me where anything else was created please present the Scripture.I believe the universe and everything in it was created in 6 periods of light and 6 periods of darkness and the seventh light period God created nothing else as He ceased from His work.God did not lie when He declared, "the evening", of the first period of light and the "morning" that closed the first period of darkness, "יום אתד". (translation Day One.)So no I don't put billions of years into time as we know it as it has only existed as we know it. Until God set to great lights in the firmament to rule the day and night there was no time as we know it.I believe creation event #2 and #3 took place about 6,000 years ago according to the rotation of our earth in relation to the sun.As to when the 1st creation event took place there is no way of knowing when that event took place other than to say it took place in the first light period that ended with the darkness found in Genesis 1:2.Now if you think time is a dimension like some, I will ask you as I have asked others to tell me how to measure time. You can not measure it with a watch as they only measures the duration between events.Time is the duration of existence between events in eternity that we measure by various means based on the rotation of the earth in relation to the sun.God Bless,

Hi ringo, You have a lot of faith don' you.God Bless,

Hi ringo, It seems to me that the man writing about the events of Genesis chapter 1 was above some events looking on what was taking place and at other times standing on the water looking up and eventually on the ground looking up and outHe spent 80 days and nights in the mount with God in which God could have showed him the events as they took place.

Hi ringo, Could you point out the scriptures that support such an assertion as they thought of it as "a solid dome over the earth"?I can not find an instance in the Bible that refers to a solid dome.I do find where those who rendered raki'a by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. That means it came from the Latin Vulgate which did not exist until the 4th century AD and not from the Hebrew text.Besides the waters that are above is said to be above the heavens that means at least 2 heavens which would put it above the edge of our universe. Opps I forgot there is nothing outside the universe.God Bless,

Hi ringo, Produce the evidence to support your assertion.I can find mistakes throughout translations but I don't find any on the oldest manuscripts we have on the first page.God Bless,

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