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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
An even bigger waste of time is telling people that they're wasting their time.
Overall it seems a preposterous waste of time....
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Ringo writes: An even bigger waste of time is telling people that they're wasting their time. Well the hope is that by investing a little time now a lot of time is saved later. But I admit that given the current combatants need to argue the pants of an ant, it's probably fruitless hope. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Not really. When it is shown exactly where and when modern creationists lie, it serves a good purpose.
My grand children, in a secular country, keep on being subjected to the lies of creationists. In state schools. They have to attend Christian meetings. Every day. Compulsory. The President of my country promised that his party will be in power till Jesus comes. They learn about Adam And Eve and The Global Flood and all that nonsense. At school. It's changing, though. The recent Supreme Court decision on equal opportunity for all religions got them to go into a flat spin and then disregard the court and claim that they won the court case. Yet, they want to appeal the decision, which they claim they won. Figure that.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote: Kids have no issues acting like Santa will come down the chimney.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Like you had a choice.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote: Let's see it. You seem to believe you do. Ha.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
SN1987A. The topic of this thread.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi creation, and welcome to the fray.
quote: Let's see it. You seem to believe you do. Ha. See Message 597 and Message 599 for why we know the distance to SN1987A. Enjoy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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creation writes: quote:Let's see it. You seem to believe you do. Ha. The paragraph you extracted that sentence from explains in summary form how we know how far away stars are, and it includes a link to Wikipedia that contains a great deal more detail. Here's the full paragraph, including the link to Wikipedia:
Percy in Message 648 writes: It's just about the word "accepting." We have hard evidence for how far away stars are, with the error ranges growing with increasing distance. There's also something called the cosmic distance ladder. It starts with the distances to close stars established through the parallax of Earth's orbit (e.g., Alpha Centauri) as a basis for establishing the distance to more distant stars, and moves outward from there using a variety of techniques. We can discuss the details of how the distances to stars are established as much as you wish. --Percy
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
RAZD writes: See Message 597 and Message 599 for why we know the distance to SN1987A Not sure how you think space in our solar system is without time? The base line for the measurement is from the solar system you know, tens of millions of miles. To make that slice of space and time equal in your mind with other lines you draw to a star is assuming time exists not just on the base line, but all the way to the star and that is not known, only believed. So it is not known after all.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
percy writes: Dealt with in last post to razd.
..explains in summary form how we know how far away stars are, and it includes a link to Wikipedia that contains a great deal more detail
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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The only time that enters into parallax measurement is the time it takes for the earth to travel halfway around the sun. Will you agree that six months on Earth is about, oh, six months in duration? And that the time doesn’t matter anyway, only the distance?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Not sure how you think space in our solar system is without time? The base line for the measurement is from the solar system you know, tens of millions of miles. To make that slice of space and time equal in your mind with other lines you draw to a star is assuming time exists not just on the base line, but all the way to the star and that is not known, only believed. So it is not known after all. Curiously that is the purpose of the game in Message 599 -- it makes any variation in time and the speed of light irrelevant and immaterial to the measurement. It would appear that you are not even trying to understand my arguments. Try again. 'starman' never provide evidence for his claims, and so far neither have you. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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creation writes: percy writes: ..explains in summary form how we know how far away stars are, and it includes a link to Wikipedia that contains a great deal more detail Dealt with in last post to razd. Except that it wasn't. RAZD explained this issue in the message references he provided you that you're evidently either not reading or not understanding. The way I would briefly explain it myself would be to say that we know how fast time is proceeding at great distances from Earth by observing the rate of the passage of time through observing the natural processes taking place there, such as the frequencies at which various gases emit or absorb light. I think it's great to be skeptical of scientific knowledge, but your issue seems less of skepticism and more of ignorance. --Percy
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
razd writes: it makes any variation in time and the speed of light irrelevant and immaterial to the measurement You missed the point entirely rendering what you said immaterial. Light will move according to how time exists. If time exists here, as it does, we will see light move a certain speed in our space. No one says that changes. However if there was not time as we know it here, we would not expect light to move as we now see it move in time. The issue is whether time also exists the same as here in far space. You do not know. Will you admit it now?
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