Who Made God?

Seems to me like you are doing what this cartoon suggests...starting with a conclusion. Which strictly speaking is not science. So tell me what you think about what the cartoon suggests?Just because i believe that God exists does not prohibit me from questioning how believers think.

If you put 2 neutraly charged strips in a vacuum too close to gether to have space to form a virtual particle between them, the pressure from the vrirtual particles forming and coliding with the strands will push the strands together. On the quantum scale virtual particles are constantly poping in and out of existence, one positive one negative, and in the next moment they collide and cease to exists.Also hawking radiation, where virtual particles become relal particles, a pair of virtual particles form near the event horizon of a black hole, one gets sucked in the other escapes as hawking radiation.So if the law of conservation of energy can be bent on a whim at the quantum scale why do you think they couldn't be bent at the creation of the universe. Especially since it seams that the net energy of our universe is 0.But im no expert on quantum mechanics, i dislike the math but love the experiments and theories so i could be wrong. But it seams that something can come from nothing as long as a negative something comes in to existence too. Edited by frako, : No reason given.

Hi LNA, Wherever you got your theology degree from you need to ask for a refund.

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Leviticus 17:10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.

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17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

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17:12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

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These three verses go together in the original text and cover the complete thought under discussion in them.This was written to the children of Israel.
Verse 10 says any man (Israelite or sojourner) who eats any manner of blood will be cut off.Verse 11 says the life of the flesh is in the blood. It also says blood has been shed to make an atonement.Verse 12 says Therefore... no soul (living being) of you shall eat blood.What are these verses talking about? Eating blood.
What is said concerning eating blood? Man forbidden from eating blood.
Why are they forbidden from eating blood?
Because the life of the flesh is in the blood.
What is the results of eating blood? Cut off from the promise.Is the life of the flesh in the blood?

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Bloodletting (or blood-letting) is the withdrawal of blood from a patient to prevent or cure illness and disease. Bloodletting was based on an ancient system of medicine in which blood and other bodily fluids were regarded as "humours" that had to remain in proper balance to maintain health. It is claimed to have been the most common medical practice performed by surgeons from antiquity until the late 19th century, a span of almost 2,000 years.[1] In Europe the practice continued to be relatively common until the end of the 18th century.

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Bloodletting - WikipediaThat don't sound like myth's or gods or religion to me. It sounds like the people that fancied themselves as medical people used bloodletting to treat sickness. Why don't you get your facts straight before you start calling people ignorant.I know blood was shed and used in sacrifices in the old testament. I also know the Israelites were not supposed to eat meat that the blood had been offered as a sacrifice. I also know God came to earth and took on the form of a man we called Jesus and shed the blood of that physical body at Calvary to buy mankind back out of slavery.But the Bible Leviticus 17:11 says "For the life of the flesh is in the blood", which has been proven to be a fact by modern science.Cut that any way you like.God Bless,

Hi LNA,

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The option I actually believe and have stated numerous times on this site.
4. The universe has always existed in some form just not in the form it is today. Somewhere in eternity past (I will let you guys guess the numbers) The all powerful eternal God I serve created the heavens and the earth in 1 light period (day as described by God Genesis 1:5). God spoke and the events you talk about taking place
happened, There was much preparation needed for the earth to be ready to be inhabited by mankind.

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What part of eternal do you not understand? I have always said God was eternal that means He has no beginning and no end. I have never said God came from nothing God is eternal, infinite. I said if I could find the article I would post them. But it does not matter he has already ditched them.Any article I quote from I post where you can find it. If I missed one point it out and I will get the location.God Bless,

Hi LNA, I don't know what that has to do with getting information past T=10^-43 s., towards the zero side.But maybe you or someone here could enlighten me on how space is being created today.Everything is inside the pea sized universe that is supposed to exist at T=10^-43 s.. There is nothing outside not even space? Although I have been told the universe is expanding. I have never had anyone explain how the universe can be expanding as there is nothing for it to expand into. If there is nothing outside of the universe there would not be any space for the universe to expand into. It would still be the size of a pea. We say, you just shut your eyes and don't see it on the screen. God is infinite. He didn't HE IS.Either an eternal power created the universe or the universe has existed eternally itself. Science says the universe has not always existed. Energy and mass are interchangeable. But every time they change there is unusable power and it is lost. That means if the universe was eternal it would have to have an external power source, or it would have already run out of power and died a cold death. It would have to be something very powerful as there are a lot energy and matter in the universe.But if there was a infinite amount of space and matter what would kick start it and cause it to form the universe.

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Due to the weirdness of quantum mechanics, nothing transforms into something all the time. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that a system can never have precisely zero energy and since energy and mass are equivalent, pairs of particles can form spontaneously as long as they annihilate one another very quickly.

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The less energy such a system has, the longer it can stick around. Thanks to gravity — the only force that always attracts — the net energy balance of the universe may be as close to zero as you can get. This makes its lifespan of almost 14 billion years plausible.

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Existence: Why is there a universe? | New ScientistI agree those things can happen in our universe as this universe is full of energy that is everywhere. Including some that has never been see but is there to hold the universe together.But when you have nothing you would have a system with zero energy to start with and there would be no energy to start.If I understand what the above quote says correctly and:
Nothing equals zero energy.
Non Existence equals zero energy.Since nothing equals zero energy absolutely nothing can pop into existence as a system can not exist without energy.

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If you take inflation into account, which physicists think caused rapid expansion in the early universe, we begin to see why MIT physicist Alan Guth calls the universe the "ultimate free lunch."

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Existence: Why is there a universe? | New ScientistI love that business of 'think', but there is zero evidence for inflation.
Sir Roger Penrose declared inflation was a fantasy in the quote I used in one of my earlier posts. cavediver told me once that the universe just is. Which would be what you are stating.Space is just that space. Matter is just matter, what would transform it into energy and where would the directions come from to get it to do anything.You are making a great case for my eternal God who is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, Should I throw my text book away then?The number T=1x10^-6176 is equal to the smallest positive non-zero value that can be represented by a quadruple-precision IEEE decimal floating-point value.If that number is wrong, what is the right number?God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, You can opine anything you fell like opining.So how about opining as to what would be required to get information further back than T=10^-43 s. That is what I was asking for. According to Son Goku it was a quintillion degrees at T=10^-43 s.It boggles my mind to even think about getting information from T=10^-43 s that the universe is there and expanding.God Bless,

Hi fraco, It does require a vacuum to exist for that to take place.Is there a vacuum outside the universe where this process could occur?I have been told here on this web site that there is nothing outside of the universe. That it is a self-contained universe that existed a T=10^-43 s and was expanding.That being the case the universe could not begin to exist by such a process.God Bless,

Hi Phat, The facts are already there and have been for over 2500 years. All I did was point out the facts. And I have known those facts for the better part of 68 years. As long as you make comments like the one below I am not sure you belive God does exist. Message 315
Making the statement "Even if" is questioning God's existence.God Bless,

A perfect one not even space and time "inside it"

I CANT, I thought I would share with you an exchange that I had with my own Pastor, recently.He likely thinks much the same way that you do, and I know that his reply will be ridiculed here at EvC, but nobody here is as well known by me as he is, and I value his input.This is our conversation: The reason that I frame my statements that way is to present my belief the way that many people at EvC would understand. jar taught me the idea that God cannot be proven, thus to frame the issue as a belief against reality is more honest than to declare that what I believe is reality.Edited by Phat, : spellingEdited by Phat, : explanation

This article helped me conceptualize the idea of a universe expanding into space.
What is the universe expanding into? (Intermediate) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an AstronomerEdited by Phat, : fixed broken link

broken link for me

What is the universe expanding into? (Intermediate) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer

Im more of a believer in extra dimensions as posited by string, superstring or m or brain theory. Our universe is just one expanding 3D bouble in a 10 D, or more dimensional multiverse. So i have no problems whit our universe expanding.But its not like we can prove this whitout taking a peek at those extra dimensions, But some observations about gravity suggest there might be other universes pulling on us, and there is also some evidence that our universe might have at one time collided with another.As for how our universe got to be, its just a quantum fluctuation in higher dimensions. Like a virtual particle it just came to existence because there was a chance it could.