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Topic: Who Made God?
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 237 of 872 (826687)
01-07-2018 5:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 236 by Phat
01-07-2018 4:00 AM
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Re: Gaps Are Inevitable
Phat writes: Although one could argue that logically our knowledge is not infinite nor can it be...thus there will inevitably be gaps along an endless path. The point is not that there are gaps, it's that filling every gap with a goddidit is silly and a hostage to the future. The fact that all animals and plants were supposed to have been put here exactly as they are today at the point of creation disturbed this god of the gaps so much that religionists are still denying facts today about it. But in the meantime millions of believers lost their fragile faith over it. It pushes god further and further away as we learn more and more. Apparently god is now T=10 -43 seconds away for ICANT now which seems a bit of a shame.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 325 of 872 (826914)
01-14-2018 11:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 315 by Phat
01-13-2018 5:03 AM
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Re: So What If God DID It?
Phat writes: Some folks are much more fascinated by exploring the universe rather than conceptualizing GOD. As you're addressing me, that's because we can do the former but not the latter. In fact the latter, has no meaning.
The God whom I believe in really does not care if you accept or believe in Him or not. I'm thinking (believing, considering) that He may want to know everyone, but that He won't force Himself on anyone. perhaps most of these religious topics are a waste of time for many of you. You can imagine and believe absolutely anything you like, it doesn't mean anything at all though does it? It's just stuff you've made up.
(Im thinking of you Tangle! ) That's nice :-)
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 327 of 872 (826919)
01-14-2018 12:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 326 by Phat
01-14-2018 11:56 AM
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Re: Eternal power (energy)
Phat writes: It has never occurred to me to wonder about this question. But this has been posed to you over and over! It's the classic uncaused cause, the infinite regression of 'if god made us who made god?’ You've heard these things hundreds of times!
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 358 of 872 (827154)
01-18-2018 12:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 357 by NoNukes
01-18-2018 12:33 PM
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Re: Eternal power (energy)
NoNukes writes: That's why your post is not even wrong. The most accurate use of that phrase I've seen in a long time. Congrats.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 388 of 872 (849246)
03-01-2019 5:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 387 by Phat
03-01-2019 4:10 PM
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Re: The apologists defense of the literalist faith
You believe in magic? Ffs Phat...no way, surely?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 444 of 872 (855432)
06-19-2019 6:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 443 by Phat
06-19-2019 6:00 PM
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Re: Not A Chance
Phat writes: I would argue that God only created the possibility of evil which became actualized once Lucifer chose it--a dogmatic hypothetical argument yet in my mind a good one! Did you read this after you posted it? You seem to be into post modernism these days. Does it still make sense to you?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 456 of 872 (855475)
06-20-2019 2:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 454 by Dredge
06-19-2019 10:55 PM
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Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Dredge writes: If energy and matter had a beginning, what did they come from? Nothing?
That's one possibility.
If energy and matter didn't have a beginning, they must have always existed. That's another possibility. We'll let you know if/when we've worked it out. Meanwhile what has it got to do with nailing a ape to a cross?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 458 of 872 (855477)
06-20-2019 2:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 457 by Phat
06-20-2019 2:25 AM
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Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Phat writes: You all want evidence? This evangelist is evidence. He's certainly evidence for a lack of a loving god, I'll give you that.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 461 of 872 (855481)
06-20-2019 3:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 460 by Faith
06-20-2019 2:57 AM
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Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Faith writes: Is it possible for you to learn some theology, or is that asking too much? I've learnt your 'theology' Faith, it's utter bullshit.
God created everything absolutely perfect, but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world. This is the primary thing Jesus rescues us from through that cross you ridicule and denigrate, though it certainly shows the love of God you deny. This is all standard traditional Christian theology despite the oddballs who deny it. Like I say, utter bullshit. Not even an internally consistent fabrication. The god who loves us tortures and kills us. How can so many be fooled by that absurd and evil idea.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 466 of 872 (855492)
06-20-2019 4:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 462 by Faith
06-20-2019 3:27 AM
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Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Faith writes: Every time you say God CREATED the misery I'm going to answer you about the Fall, And every time you tell us this childish, evil fairytale I’ll quote you your own god’s words from your own book Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
no matter how much of your snark you throw at me, because you haven't learned the theology at all. I’ve learned your nasty little fake-theocracy. I utterly reject it for the non-Christian immorality that it is.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Re: Take A Side
Theodoric writes: Arbitrator if reality? WTF does that even mean? Nothing. I think he just likes the patterns and noises the words make in his head. He's obviously slightly off his trolley at the moment, probably spending a lot of time listening to mad pastor videos that he's now trying to ape.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 538 of 872 (855793)
06-23-2019 4:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 536 by jar
06-22-2019 9:40 PM
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jar writes: I am a Christian No! I am Christian!
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 540 of 872 (855799)
06-23-2019 8:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 539 by Phat
06-23-2019 7:28 AM
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Re: Spookies & Floodies
I'm a Christian atheist. As far as I can tell, I have the same moral values as GDR - and I'm baptised.
Just a chap who fishes for a livelihood. I fish for fun not profit.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 554 of 872 (855905)
06-24-2019 4:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 550 by Phat
06-24-2019 3:47 PM
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Re: Take A Side
Get help Phat.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9617 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.8
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Message 556 of 872 (855913)
06-24-2019 5:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 555 by Phat
06-24-2019 4:58 PM
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Re: Take A Side
Get help Phat.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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